All Trans Shortlists?

[pop91]

Hi,
Trans person here.
I've posted here before with a not so great interaction hoping this one won't be so toxic😅

Question relating to All Women shortlists for example in politics and the inclusion of transwomen:

Firstly, I actually agree that trans-women shouldn't be on the normal all-women shortlist in almost the same way I don't think someone who's only got one BAME grandparent should be on an all BAME shortlist.

For me, it doesn't provide the best position to have people not fully understanding of the issues to be at the forefront of tackling them with all the knowledge present. So, for example, Lisa Nandy technically has mixed heritage but experiences life largely as a white person so can't for example tackle colourism as well as someone more visibly BAME. Likewise, a trans woman can't tackle period poverty as effectively!

But I understand that's not the same as the GC position of the trans woman not being a real woman so effectively to be considered automatically ineligible for GCs.

However, on the flip side, I don't believe non-trans people can tackle the issues for trans people as effectively as a trans person could! which is why I believe there should be at least some All-trans shortlists, especially in areas with higher percentages of trans people, like London for example.

Currently, there is only one trans person in parliament and he has only just come out and soon plans to leave politics, likely leaving parliament with zero trans people after the next general election. Effectively leaving trans people with zero national political representation again - obviously from my standpoint that is distressing!

Withstanding the GC argument that Trans people aren't real or that it's all gender ideology and that therefore there is no need for a Trans MP - I understand that is the opinion many here hold however as you will know most Trans people believe their identity to be real and not an ideology, myself included and therefore ask for different answers. TLDR: I know you believe Trans is all ideology but we don't and saying so won't change my mind or further this discussion🙂

So my questions:

1. Would GC's then protest All-Trans shortlists if trans women were specifically not included on the All-women shortlists?
2. Would GC's still protest if it was made clear that All-Trans shortlists would only be used in seats held by male MP's and not already using an All-Women shortlist?

A question that's not strictly relevant but I've asked other trans people and you might find interesting:

1. Should there then be separate All-Trans shortlists for trans men, trans women and non-binary people?

Get some popcorn for me too, Unicorn.

I'd just like to say that I don't understand why someone has to look or be like you to represent your interests in Parliament. (You being whoever here.) Just because someone shares some traits with you, does not mean they share your interests. And if someone does share your interests, what difference does their gender, sexuality, skin colour, religion or other beliefs make?!

I'm done. I tried - I really did try

You really did try what? They have trained the police to think that men in leather puppy outfits are 'trans' somehow. You are years behind the curve, I guarantee there already are cross dressers in parliament, toxic drugs for kids should be banned and you think this genius idea of yours is somehow going to solve what exactly?

idk bc I lived in America and have many trans friends there.

Scared I don't look masc enough and with all the media hysteria and someone will say something or that someone might purposefully trigger my dysphoria.

No transgender DOES NOT AND HAS NEVER included furries or wannabe babies. the clues in the name!

right. YOU don’t. But some of those do. Like the transitioned female who identifies as a baby girl with a ‘slut’ badge. Or are they not trans in your definition?

How can you advocate for a group you refuse to define? I was on board until that bit.

I didn't know Debbie Hayton was ashamed of being trans. In fact, I'd doubt it, but I'm prepared to be corrected.

I don't think Debbie is ashamed, just that Debbie while being trans also recognises the reality of biological sex. Clearly the wrong kind of trans for the all trans shortlists.

Deadwood Redwood seems to skate through despite being Mr Brexit in a Remain constituency?

(Pig in a blue rosette territory writ large).

@pop91 So what is trans conversion therapy? That was my question. Your one sentence sounds very much like therapy to me.

Why do you think anyone would listen to women if we protested?

well, 0 would be 0% and there are more than 0% of trans people in the UK.

How are trans people responsible for what old white non-trans men do in parliament/government?

so we should have an all-white male parliament as long as they represent your interests in Parliament?

You already have one, so sorted I guess?

:|

OP! I'll stand. I'm non binary, is that okay? Will that do?

I ABSOLUTELY 100% will define Trans and have done so on this very site in the past!

I have repeatedly said It's not helpful to this discussion and will only distract with people saying stuff like 'furries are trans' and bs like that!

I shaved my head today, if anyone is non-binary it is moi.

Lets get our names down on there pronto.

Somewhere there is a bridge missing its troll. Why engage with this when it is an obviously wind up?

If they self ID as another species, then they are trans though, right?

Have you been chatting to Piers Morgan recently?

This. I’ve no problem with trans shortlists in principle (although you are really limiting your candidate pool, and possibly failing to ensure that your constituency gets the best representation it possibly can, contra our democracy), but you really need to tell us what trans means. Stonewall include cross dressers in their definition. Presumably cross dressers don’t have the experience of hormone injections/ surgery that some trans people have.

(Incidentally, I once lost half my marks in a politics essay exam at uni because I forgot to define my terms at the start.)

would you like me to detail when the conversion therapist said I was possed by a demon?

bc tbh, it's rather traumatic and I'd rather not :|

But then nonbinaries would be over represented Alison.

I'll be neutrois, instead, okay?

You do know there's no such thing as "trans kids"? There are children with gender dysphoria, the vast majority of whom will settle into their sex. It's very fashionable at the moment for children to identify as another gender - whole cohorts do it. That doesn't mean they should all be put on a medical pathway to sexual dysfunction, osteoporosis, early menopause etc. I do wonder about anyone who is enthusiastic to put a child through such a damaging regime.

A therapist told you that you were possessed by a demon? Or was this a religious organisation that was offering religious "counselling"?

@PronounssheRa that's what I thought. So not Debbie Hayton and not James Wallis.

@pop91 sorry about your issues, I hope you're getting suitable help. As a woman I'm fearful of going out alone, something I probably share with most women. I'm sorry that transitioning hasn't freed you from those fears. Maybe morphed them a bit? Obviously I've got no good advice, your life experience is probably radically different to mine, but I do hope things get better for you.