Matt Walsh Thinks He's Leading the Woman's Movement

[Delphinium20]

I've seen a lot of respected feminist posters excited about this documentary, which on its own may contain useful content. But I want to ask, why promote a misogynist just because he has the right talking points on gender ideology? Women are about to lose abortion rights in my country. Matt Walsh has said women who are pro-choice are "repulsive."

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I urge you to check out this thread on Ovarit where women have documented all the work feminists have been doing already, and how Walsh ignores us. Walsh sees this GC issue not through feminist eyes, but as a way to push his own brand and claim himself leader of this issue. Please stop falling for it.

ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/91809/matt-walsh-is-literal-proof-of-male-privilege-you-re-not-a-savior-and-many-women

GC feminists who beleive it's totally a social construct will still have issue with this I imagine.

I'm not sure feminists see it completely as a social construct; stereotypes evolve from biological reality. It's like the argument "is it nature or nurture;" it's both. Nature first nurture thereafter.

Feminists, particularly if radical, recognise the unique impact of the mother baby dyad, as well as the parent baby dyad. Having a baby physically, structurally, positively changes the brain of a woman for a period of time (2 yrs iirc) Any second parent's brain (male's have been studied) is also impacted the more time they spend with the baby, the more holding they do and in men it's was found testosterone/ aggression levels were reduced.

The positive impact of this on the individual child is then obvious.

The TW breastfeeding thread mentioned the tribe where men may occasionally offer a nipple to a screaming infant (very scant details on that click bait). BUT the key point there is that he does so as they all hold their infants for huge amounts of time, and it's a egalitarian society. The women go and gather food/ hunt. The men hold and care for their babies.

I can't imagine the women do this till baby can last longer without milk. But I am struck by what potential impact this way of caring has on all individuals. Is this why the society is more balanced? Less aggressive?

That's the impact of construct that radical feminists look to. Everything else thereafter is capitalistic construct, products designed "for" males or females and as thus gender stereotyping evolved as sex/gender roles did.

Again, biology is behind a few eg women's body shapes are on average different to male. So need different shoes clothes. It just all got out of control when money came along.

Of course everyone doesn't agree, but this idea that this issue is some kind of gotcha to prove a hatred of women is just so reductive. It's the same kind of reductive gotcha approach gender TRA tends to engage in.

You should read this, Angela explains why Walsh is no ally brilliantly.

Women need to be wary of this man.

Well he's definitely not an 'ally' to feminism he thinks feminism has damaged women. He says so very openly.

So hardly another revelatory insight.

He's definitely against transing kids though.
So that's good right?

Is this still going on?

“Man says things we don’t like, ergo everything he says we don’t like.”

It’s so trite. It’s been going on for ages. And it’s so childish. I agree with Walsh on some things and I don’t agree with Walsh on many other things. I am not “aligned” with him. I don’t view him as an “ally”, nor do I view him as the enemy.

There. It’s not hard is it? It’s what grown ups do. Honestly, how do people who can’t cope with this notion function in the real world?

As much as I agree with much Angela Wyld says, I think anyone who wants to discuss this documentary needs to watch it for themselves. Otherwise, all that is happening is people indulging in the same activist behaviour we deplore. That of taking someone else’s interpretation of a source of information and reacting to it.

This purity spiral is well and truly circling the drain now. It has been going on so long.

Is Walsh a feminist ally? No

Has Walsh said things that are harmful to women? yes, some

One this issue, has Walsh said some things I agree with, regardless of the motivation behind it ? Yes

Is Walsh critical of the gender identity ideological movement? Yes

Is Walsh an ally in being critical of the gender identity ideological movement to others also critical of the movement, but from different motivations and maybe even opposing motivations to feminists? Yes.

Is this constant censuring about who people should be ‘no listening/watching/reading getting ridiculous? Yes, it fucking is.

And for all the people that paid $9 to watch this, did you realise that it was the Daily Wire that was behind the paid social media posts to smear Amber Heard's name?

The Daily Wire spent tens of thousands of dollars promoting misleading news about the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial on social media, the Citizens and VICE World News can reveal.

The conservative outlet, founded by Ben Shapiro, is currently the second most popular news publisher on Facebook. It has so far spent between $35,000 and $47,000 on Facebook and Instagram ads promoting articles about the trial, eliciting some four million impressions. The majority of these ads promote one-sided articles and videos with a clear bias against Heard. They are largely promoted via the Facebook pages of high profile conservative figures including right-wing commentator Candace Owens.

www.vice.com/en/article/3ab3yk/daily-wire-amber-heard-johnny-depp

Money well spent if you hate women.

Well seeing as that court case was over before the video was released this isn't quite the "gotcha" you think it is.

He's actively attacking British feminists now FFS

He's got a point.

Women: where are the men speaking up on this?

Women: oh no, not those type of men.

He's right some idiotic women would rather this Trans ideology wasn't stopped than have to admit they agree with a man they don't like.

It really is idiotic.

Forcing a 12-year-old rape victim to birth her father's child is an inhumane and vile act...possibly one of vilest acts I can imagine, yet somehow Walsh justifies this. He does not care about children, at least not the female kind. He only cares about keeping his spot in a very misogynistic and patriarchal hierarchy.

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Walsh is not a garden variety well-meaning conservative man, he is bordering on evil incarnate.

The devil incarnate. Get a grip.

You've already shared that tweet on this thread to demonstrate he's the devil.

Yes a 12 year old giving birth to her father's child is vile and abhorrent.

As is a 12 year raped by her father taken for an abortion so the pregnancy is hidden from the authorities and so the rape and abuse can continue.

Which is worse?

Both are horrific, but his point that abortion is used by men to hide abuse is true. As is contraception for minors btw, as case reviews of grooming gangs has reported.

Does this mean children should be denied abortion or contraception? No.

But it does mean it's more complex than your throwing around of the wildest insults you can conjure suggests. And that people who are not the Devil Incarnate may reasonably have another viewpoint.

I don't know what I think, except that you and Matt Walsh are extremists with simplified purist positions who revert to moral outrage to denigrate the other side.

You have much more in common with him than you think.

@MalagaNights What a luxury to shit on American feminists from such a place of exalted privilege and access to rights. UK's daughters will still be able to access abortion, while ours soon won't. No thanks to men like Walsh and his handmaiden army.

Then take Matt Walsh to task about his abortion stance.

And leave the rest of us alone who thinks he’s right about gender ideology.

Two different topics. He’s right on one thing and not on another. That’s life.

I’ve asked generally, but I’ll ask you directly Delphinium20, how do you function in the real world? How do you cope with the idea that the person serving you in the supermarket, or teaching your children, or a close friend of yours might also actually agree with Walsh on abortion? Do you tell them off too?

Be👏Better👏Feminists

I'm not clear what the point of this thread is.

MW thinks he's leading the women's movement. Does he now? There's quite a few women who might have something to say about that. TBH I don't give a shit about what MW thinks of the women's movement or what he thinks his contribution to it is.
There's plenty of men who think they are women and we don't buy that either so why do we need instruction not to be fooled by a different kind of misogynist?

I read, listen and watch quite a few people whose politics I disagree with, some of them I think are decent people, others, such as MW I dislike intensely. I think he's quite an unpleasant man who defends the rights he thinks women should have.

I try to play the ball not the man. Should I criticise him for making a documentary which aligns with many of my own views just because I don't like him or should I be pleased because the documentary will raise awareness about how sinister and illogical gender ideology is?

One of the problems we have had gaining traction with our political class is that many people are still convinced we need to be kind because they don't know what is actually happening and how far the tentacles of gender ideology reach. I think it's more important for people to be informed than it is for me to like the person shining a light.

I think his opinions on abortion are abhorrent but we are talking about gender ideology here and sadly he makes a valid point about women having some fairly self defeating attitudes at times.

I notice he got some quite serious pushback on his tweets about abortion which I was relieved to see.

Why are feminists accused of aligning themselves with other people's views rather than other people aligning themselves with our views. It may not be acknowledged but women were sounding the alarm long before the likes of MW even knew it was something they could make a name for themselves with. He's not unique in taking credit for women's efforts, it's just the same old patriarchy.

This discussion is continuing on Ovarit. ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/101417/can-an-enemy-of-your-enemy-be-your-ally.

Lots of voices on the benefits/drawbacks of allying w/ problematic conservatives. Interesting stuff.

I think they show he thinks abortion is immoral in and of itself.

I also don't think he takes a traditional feminist viewpoint on a lot of things, but even that is not as tied to being anti-woman as a lot of people seem to think. It's a really overused idea.

Ultimatly MW thinks that a human being, even one still in utera, is a person, and should be treated under the law as a person. Even one that was the product of rape or incest has the same right to consideration as everyone else.

You may think that's not true, it isn't a human being and has no inherent rights. Presumably you don't think that is true just because of it's parantage or being concieved by rape, but for reasons around the nature of personhood and the legal protections thereof. But you not liking it, or its implications, does not make it a hateful viewpoint.

But that's not a viewpoint that exists in order to be shitty for women any more than people who want to recognize dolphins or chimps or who thinks everyone should be a vegan are making that argument as some backhanded way of denying other people the right to hunt or cut down trees or live their traditional lifestyle off the land. They believe it reflects the inherent reality of the material world.

And as far as criticizing feminists or feminism, are you really trying to suggest they are beyond criticism? That there is no chance feminist thought hasn't made some significant errors? Given that feminists don't ever do that among themselves that seems a bit much, and any movement that thinks it should be immune from that discourse is going to become very flabby, at best. Which is maybe part of what's happened to feminism.

And as far as criticizing feminists or feminism, are you really trying to suggest they are beyond criticism? That there is no chance feminist thought hasn't made some significant errors?

Serious question - are you a man?

Not sure what the point is posting links to Ovarit.

Again, who the fuck cares?

Maybe I have just reached that age where I don’t give a fuck anymore. Maybe I don’t like tribalism. Maybe I am naive and think that a presenter who has a show can ask any guest on and as long as they treat that guest with respect, any resultant conversation is worth listening to (such as Tucker Carlson).

If people honestly believe that feminists are ‘aligning’ with Matt Walsh by some women making a positive comment about his documentary, about the fact he has the thick skin to be able to release it with its good points and bad points and withstand the significant attacks and hostility, then some people have a low bar for ‘allyship’.

Oh. Thanks. I'd never have been able to think that through without you showing me how other anonymous people think.

Yes samphire, the first posts seem to be a repeat of the posts here.

Maybe there were more interesting discussions further down but I think the first few encapsulated the main approaches.

Yep. I gave the whole string a cursory glance and, with some odd exceptions, it was all pretty much the same as this thread.

I suppose it just seems more palatable because it is not Mumsnet, maybe!

I read the first few posts and then gave up, they're not very bright are they?

I'm a woman, and I have many criticisms of feminism.

If that surprises you you seriously need to broaden your horizons.

I looked at ovarit and it seemed an echo chamber of 'us' and what 'we think', which doesn't interest me.

Some women don't seem to want to ensure women & children are protected from the Trans ideology unless some small cabal of correct thinking women do it.

Argue with Matt Walsh about abortion once we all agree it is only an issue for women.