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Matt Walsh Thinks He's Leading the Woman's Movement

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Delphinium20 · 16/05/2022 18:24

I've seen a lot of respected feminist posters excited about this documentary, which on its own may contain useful content. But I want to ask, why promote a misogynist just because he has the right talking points on gender ideology? Women are about to lose abortion rights in my country. Matt Walsh has said women who are pro-choice are "repulsive."

twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1521549440406155264?s=21&t=ItXp9--3s8_3_0S8LFNc9w

I urge you to check out this thread on Ovarit where women have documented all the work feminists have been doing already, and how Walsh ignores us. Walsh sees this GC issue not through feminist eyes, but as a way to push his own brand and claim himself leader of this issue. Please stop falling for it.

ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/91809/matt-walsh-is-literal-proof-of-male-privilege-you-re-not-a-savior-and-many-women

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Floisme · 05/06/2022 10:10

Is there a UK equivalent of this guy? I can't think of one and maybe that's why I'm really struggling to understand. And I would like to understand. Exactly how does watching or talking about this man's film make me his ally?

Helleofabore · 05/06/2022 10:14

No. I think we can argue with Matt Walsh about abortion right now and continue to keep working to establish that it is a female centred issue.

But that is the beauty of two adult women discussing this. We can agree on some issues and disagree on others and still be loosely working towards the same outcome.

MalagaNights · 05/06/2022 10:19

I don't think there is a UK equivalent @Floisme .

I think it's because we don't have an equivalent of the socially conservative right in the UK that they have in the USA.

I guess Jacob Rees Mogg would be the nearest we have.

Would you watch a film he made 😁?

MalagaNights · 05/06/2022 10:20

Helleofabore · 05/06/2022 10:14

No. I think we can argue with Matt Walsh about abortion right now and continue to keep working to establish that it is a female centred issue.

But that is the beauty of two adult women discussing this. We can agree on some issues and disagree on others and still be loosely working towards the same outcome.

Agreed.

MangyInseam · 05/06/2022 21:05

Taketheshortcuthome · 05/06/2022 08:37

And as far as criticizing feminists or feminism, are you really trying to suggest they are beyond criticism? That there is no chance feminist thought hasn't made some significant errors?

Serious question - are you a man?

Are you fourteen?

I'm not a man, no, though it would really make zero difference if I were. Any intellectually mature ideology needs a discourse. And feminism has had one as long as it's been around.

MangyInseam · 05/06/2022 21:14

Helleofabore · 05/06/2022 10:14

No. I think we can argue with Matt Walsh about abortion right now and continue to keep working to establish that it is a female centred issue.

But that is the beauty of two adult women discussing this. We can agree on some issues and disagree on others and still be loosely working towards the same outcome.

Are there any prominent orthodox Catholics in UK media/political culture?

In some ways he might be a bit like a Chesterton, though less intellectual (by a fair way.)

hamstersarse · 06/06/2022 13:50

notmyrightsasaurus · 02/06/2022 14:10

Has anyone watched the What Is A Woman video yet? It's behind a paywall so I am waiting for reviews.

Lots of people who've seen it seem to agree that it's done more for the feminist movement than feminists have done in 100 years which makes me even more interested!

You can watch the whole thing on Odessey

odysee.com/@QuantumRhino:9/What-is-a-Woman--(2022):7

I quite enjoyed it.
Although there is nothing in it that hasn't been said on MN threads since 2012!

I don't really care about the rest of his views but if he does highlight the insanity and cruelty of the trans movement - I'm all for it

hamstersarse · 06/06/2022 13:51

odysee.com/@QuantumRhino:9/What-is-a-Woman--(2022):7

You can watch it here

Helleofabore · 06/06/2022 16:02

Thanks hamster.

I did not know that Matt Walsh went and spoke at a Loudoun County meeting. The segment on Loudoun had footage that I had not seen.

Helleofabore · 06/06/2022 16:03

Are there any prominent orthodox Catholics in UK media/political culture?

I am not the person to ask about this.

FOJN · 06/06/2022 16:17

It's been removed from odysee now unfortunately. There's a message about a digital copyright complaint.

MangyInseam · 06/06/2022 17:51

I just finished watching it. It didn't have any new information for me, but it was actually a lot better than I expected. I thought it was going to be mainly joky and kind of highlighting some of the absurdities, and it did that especially at the beginning, but there were some very serious segments as well.

I suspect anyone really committed to gender ideology would not be shaken but for someone like a parent that had not really dug into it all much, it could be really enlightening.

I am always agog at people who have a skin that thick, I can't even imagine some of the situations he was in, keeping my cool and carrying on.

nauticant · 06/06/2022 19:43

Magdalen Berns was on Chicken Woman's (Michelle Forcier's) case back in 2016:

MalagaNights · 06/06/2022 20:27

❤️❤️ Magdalene Burns.
She also shows that Michelle Forcier changed her advice from watchful waiting to affirmation.

Some one should tweet this to Matt Walsh! It would be great to get Magdalene's work shared.

DaisiesandButtercups · 06/06/2022 21:43

MalagaNights · 05/06/2022 10:19

I don't think there is a UK equivalent @Floisme .

I think it's because we don't have an equivalent of the socially conservative right in the UK that they have in the USA.

I guess Jacob Rees Mogg would be the nearest we have.

Would you watch a film he made 😁?

I am absolutely not a fan of Jacob Rhys Mogg, but if he made a documentary on this topic and it was shown on BBC or somewhere easily accessible I would give it a look, take what works for me and leave the rest.

I did watch Matt Walsh’s film and there was a lot there that worked for me tbh. The interviewees who were pro the affirmative approach including medication and surgery for children sounded crackers and I think Matt did a good job with his questioning of them. Equally the interviewees who were for watchful waiting came across and sane and genuinely caring about children.

Chicken woman I think it was mentioned her involvement in abortion and he didn’t bite which I counted to his credit since I imagine he has very strong feelings on that. He stuck completely and unflinchingly to the topic at hand.

Walsh’s contribution will be watched by an audience which would sadly never be likely to be exposed to Vaishnavi Sundar’s excellent work in four parts - Dysphoric. Anyone who hasn’t seen Dysphoric should definitely give it a look.

DaisiesandButtercups · 06/06/2022 21:57

nauticant · 06/06/2022 19:43

Magdalen Berns was on Chicken Woman's (Michelle Forcier's) case back in 2016:

Really interesting to see the wonderful Magdalen’s research on Michelle Forcier. Thank you for sharing this video here. I hadn’t seen this one before. I am curious to know what made her change her tune from watchful waiting, love and accept your child to full on affirmation and blockers.

MangyInseam · 06/06/2022 22:11

I think there were quite a few people who changed their tune on this. I know a woman who worked in a gender clinic, was fully on board with affirmation, but wouldn't have been if you'd asked her 10, probably even 5 years before. It was a matter of what she considered the best practice reccomendations changing.

I don't think that's all that unusual in medicine overall. Doctors keep up to date with new protocols and a lot don't really even think about them all that much, or how they are supposed to be implemented.

Forcier in the Walsh fim was really making me think of Nurse Ratchett.

Delphinium20 · 06/06/2022 23:52

katherinemacosta.substack.com/p/respect-yourself-why-sisters-should?s=w

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Delphinium20 · 06/06/2022 23:57

nauticant · 06/06/2022 19:43

Magdalen Berns was on Chicken Woman's (Michelle Forcier's) case back in 2016:

She was so ahead of everything. What a beacon!

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echobeech · 07/06/2022 08:59

I've just seen this tweet, he's laughing in our faces now. The video was OK, not great and he cribbed most of the best ideas from British feminists without credit.

And for that reason i'm out

Matt Walsh Thinks He's Leading the Woman's Movement
MalagaNights · 07/06/2022 12:11

What are you out of?

He calls you blood thirsty psychopaths.
You call him the devil incarnate.
Tit for tat. Same playbook.

As I said, more in common than you think.

Cailleach1 · 07/06/2022 13:03

About a parallel to the conservative right in the UK. You cannot forget that Northern Ireland is part of the UK. And, oddly enough, I think you may find the nearest to Matt Walsh in political parties such as the DUP or TUV. On most some issues.

Aside from the Nationalist/Unionist divide as raison d'être, most DUP membership would traditionally have been Presbyterian/Free Presbyterian (NI special). You get the creationists of course. Which is why at the Giants Causeway, there was a biblical explanation to 'balance' the scientific one. When people proclaim that abortion is available in the UK, they seem to forget that "The 1967 Abortion Act made terminations legal in Great Britain up to 24 weeks in most circumstances - but was never extended to Northern Ireland." It was only available in NI in very limited circumstances. And, life imprisonment was a possible conviction if outside those circumstances. With the fall of the Stormont Assembly, Westminster imposed abortion legislation on NI. It is still not up and running on the same basis as GB though , as it requires cross department co-operation in Stormont.

This is a really good timeline below.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-56041849

MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 13:05

I am pretty sure people other than British feminists have said most of the stuff from the film. Maybe people haven't realized, because they refuse to watch or read anything that doesn't come from their own political tribe, that other people have been saying a lot of the same things? Some people seem to think anyone even a little to the right in the US has issues with this subject because they want women to be barefoot in the kitchen, which is just not the case. They have pretty much the same concerns as anyone, and spotted the problems early on as well

user1471504747 · 07/06/2022 13:12

Does anyone know of a way to watch it for free? The only place I can find it is via paying to subscribe to the daily wire, which isn’t something I particularly want to do for a variety of reasons.

Or even just clips, or an (unbiased and fair) summary.

Cailleach1 · 07/06/2022 13:17

It would be interesting to ask M Fournier why they suddenly changed their tune from allowing children who aren't 'gender conforming' to just be themselves, rather than medicalising them.

On the 'Conservative Right' issue: someone said there wasn't really an equivalent in the UK. But, I think there is in NI. They even sit in the Parliament in Westminster.