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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans girl in Heartstopper

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HelenaRavenclaw · 12/05/2022 05:33

Loving Heartstopper on Netflix, but the only thing that bothers me, as a gender-critical woman (adult human female), is the fact that the trans girl (male) Elle was allowed to switch from an all-boys school to an all-girls school. If I were a parent at an all-girls school, I would not be happy with this! Are most "girls" schools in these days really mixed sex? I remember hearing something about GDST having some common sense, but I don't know about others.

The person who plays the role of Elle is also a (male) trans girl herself called Yasmin Finney. A look through her social media reveals loads of photos of her in a bra (with a very masculine body structure) and other revealing clothing, or bare chested with the nipples covered by hair, as though they are showing off her "femininity". Instinctively, these photos made me uncomfortable. Not sure if a female actress would pose in such ways on a regular basis. Can't put my finger on it, but these photos make me think of the sexualisation of women's (female) bodies even more and it just doesn't sit right.

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Starlee · 26/05/2022 20:52

Lovelyricepudding · 26/05/2022 15:08

Do I think teens presenting as the opposite sex have more understanding of the day to day problems for themself that I do? Yes, obviously. Do I think they have more understanding of transitioning for life? No I don't because I have far more experience of life whereas they have no experience of adulthood. I have experienced long term relationships, infertility and then children, sexual pleasure, I have watched a close relative deteriorate with osteoporosis. I know what it is to mature, to change outlook on life and I have seen many people set off in one direction as teens then change that direction. I know what it means to be dependent on medication, to struggle to pay for a prescription. I know that you don't need to abide by sex stereotypes. I also know what it is to be a woman and no man can know that.

I too have been through those things you mention, plus more. But I have never lived as a trans person so cannot possibly 'know' what any aspect of it is really like, short or long term. Same as my longer life experience doesn't mean I can really understand what it's like to be a man, or have a different skin colour.
As a pensioner I know that we all change from our teens, both physically and mentally, and that is why surgery for trans kids is not allowed till they are 18, and even then surgery doesn't happen that quick.
I do however know what it's like to have a trans daughter, to be her confidante, to help her through the worst times, and see the effect it has when clueless people think they know her better than she knows herself.
A half hour tv programme cannot focus on all that for just one character, she would have to be the main character to even begin to show her life. To think it has been written in such a way as to make teens think it's easy to transition sounds very much like a conspiracy theory, what on earth would be point unless you think the writer is part of the so-called 'grooming' of trans kids!?

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 26/05/2022 21:00

CupidStunt22 · 19/05/2022 10:47

Though I imagine you'll implode when, as happens in later webcomics, Elle starts going out with Tao, who is straight. Sexual orientation isn’t the same thing as being or not being trans. Trans people can date anyone, and anyone can date a trans person (usual caveats on mutual interest and consent apply)

Misses the point. Anyone can date anyone, but if you're a man dating another man, you're not heterosexual, is the point.

Magnoliaabomination, who made the original comment, did not specify that Tao is a man, just that Tao is "straight". A straight person certainly can date a man under certain circumstances - unless you assume all people are by default men unless otherwise specified, which likely won't be a popular opinion on a board about feminism.

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