Amber Heard - trial by social media

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I have to admit, I haven't been following this case, but what little I do know about it has been filtered through the prism of social media and I have noticed that Facebook seems to be serving me a LOT of pro-Johnny Depp stories. I've already seen a couple this week (from film-based sites that I do not follow, coming up as 'suggested for you') and have just had another.

I am not a huge film fan, so have never interacted with these film sites, but they are coming up in my feed regularly now, including one page (I just blocked it at the time as it was one of the first) that included a long rant about how 'If these accusations were made about a man, everyone would be crying abuse'.

As I say, I'm not really following the case, but I am finding it sinister how there seems to be a paid PR campaign to promote Johnny's innocence in the wider world, presumably paving the way for him to return to Hollywood relatively unscathed once the dust settles and the trial is over. Am I only just noticing this now or is this becoming a more common method of manipulating the public over relatively trivial (compared to elections, covid misinformation etc) matters?

From watching the actual trial, amber Heard is an abuser. Depp has substance abuse issues and sent nasty private text messages but she's a mental abuser. Also her legal team are a joke, and she lied about donating to charity. It's not algorithms

What? At the very least they abused each other. He was verbally and physically abusive to her. The only way this works is if you thinksome circumstances justify abuse. I don't personally.

I find it difficult even to cut the finger nails of my right hand.

This article written by the journalist who wrote the original “wife-beater” article in the Sun gives an interesting take. Remember he/the Sun won.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10767463/DAN-WOOTTON-Johnny-Depp-not-victim-cancel-culture.html

I have no view on whether he is right or wrong. More to the point, I have no real interest. The whole thing is a spectacle, court as a form of gaudy entertainment. But I note that it was Depp who initiated the legal action on both occasions.

thats really horrifying.

That's pretty convincing.

Although my sympathy for her is tempered by

(a) querying why did she stick around? They don't have children; she is independently wealthy; she'll have agents, PAs, lawyers. She could have left anytime; and
(b) the surrogacy

I assume there is an automatic bias against someone who takes you to court, so Wootton is not an independent witness. That said he will be more familiar with Depp than most.

querying why did she stick around? They don't have children; she is independently wealthy; she'll have agents, PAs, lawyers. She could have left anytime
Women stay with abusers all the time for lots of complicated reasons that mostly boil down to being in love and having low self esteem
Having money doesn't protect you from that

If we are sceptical of Heard because she stuck around, the same could easily be said of Depp. If he was a victim of her abuse why didn’t he retreat to one of his many other homes? Why didn’t he throw her out of his property? I guess he can’t have been that badly abused at all!

And it doesn’t matter, really, if Heard was abusive in the sense that that doesn’t decide the case. The case is not about “who was the biggest/ sole abuser” or “who was the worst person”, although I know it’s being presented that way in social media.

Depp’a case is that Heard deliberately lied about him being an abuser in order to damage his reputation. He has to prove he did not abuse her, and he also has to prove she is a liar. The standard of proof in America is much harder than in the U.K. I’m the U.K., Depp didn’t have to prove anything and it was the Sun who had to show it was true he was an abuser. Remember, Depp lost in that case.

So it really doesn’t help Depp if he establishes that Heard abused him too, because that’s not what he has to prove. He has to prove he was not abusive.

Heard is suing Depp for saying her abuse claims are a hoax. She has to prove she wasn’t lying about being abused, and that Depp maliciously accused her of a hoax.

If we are sceptical of Heard because she stuck around, the same could easily be said of Depp. If he was a victim of her abuse why didn’t he retreat to one of his many other homes? Why didn’t he throw her out of his property? I guess he can’t have been that badly abused at all!

I didn't say she wasn't abused. I think they are both abusers and abused. But in both cases they stuck around because they are both getting something out of it. I don't buy the poor victim Amber , she was stuck with her abuser line.

And there's the surrogacy of course. She's obviously happy to exploit other women.

Interesting. The DM seem to have taken the Wooten article off their platform.

We have no idea who the surrogate mother is

while I agree many women are exploited and this is a huge concern some are not and choose to do this for someone they love

If AH had exploited a poor destitute women don’t worry would have been told by now

JD team have thrown everything they possibly could at her. Nothing would be too low

What have they thrown at her other than accounts of events from a different perspective than Amber's?

Nope. Surrogacy is indefensible.

It doesn’t matter what goes around in the media, I think if you want to form an opinion on who is lying then you need to watch the actual trial where both are given exact equal number of hours to put their evidence across and make your own mind up. I went into watching it completely unbiased and I believe JDs side. Agree social media is on his side but a lot of media articles I’ve read are not but it hasn’t changed my personal opinion from what I’ve seen instead of looking at headlines and snippets and coming to an informed decision

of course it is for AH 🙄

who do you think is behind the push for all the articles examining her behaviour on social media there is far far more on hers than his

and the twisting of what is reported on her (ie. Kate Miss she never made the allegation she said she was told this story was doing the rounds years ago long before there was social media)

his PR if far more powerful because he is worth so much to so many people he is surrounded by those on his pay roll the need to keep the JD money making machine going

While Johnny does have paid people around him, money isn't enough to keep people loyal for decades. People can and do change jobs if their boss is an abusive addict who makes everyone's life a living hell. There is a lot of movement in Hollywood in security details, household staff, assistants etc

And Johnny isn't going to keep people around him if he senses in any way they are only there for the money and to eploit his generosity. Wealthy people don't take kindly to people being fake to get as much from them as they can (hence some of his anger at Amber).

It’s not just money it’s a lifestyle they get to live

Do you know him personally? He is someone who drinks heavily and takes a large amount of drugs I doubt he is astute as he used to be.

read an article in Rolling Stone from 2018 It’s an interesting insight into his life

It isn't just his team that is loyal. His coworkers have spoken out about him. Penelope Criz worked with him on multiple movies and everyday on the set of Pirates for 6 months and had nothing but great things to say about him. She got pregnant just as filimg was starting and thought she would have to drop out of the movie (as filming would last 6 months) and Johnny went to bat for her.

HIs other coworkers and past relationships have also spoken out on his behalf.

Amber's lawyer's hired Paul Baressi to find dirt on Johnny. He spoke to close to 100 people going all the way back to the start of Johnny's career and none had dirt on him. The only thing he found was that people said Johny was too kind and trusting and would get exploited, that he had a group of rock and roll / wild friends and they could get wild, That he drank to excess at time, and that he had a business fall out with a co-owner of the Viper Room back in the early days.

The Wootton article is still up, by the way.

You don't have to approve of Heard, or the surrogacy, or think she's a nice person. Those things have nothing to do with whether she was abused or not. Let's remember that Depp brought the original libel case in the UK and is now bringing another libel case in the US. These court cases are not of Heard's choosing.

That was in 2020 it’s all gone a bit quite on the support front from his Hollywood friends

though Candace Owens and Joe Rogan are still openly supporting him he just be thrilled with his

I don’t think it’s gone quiet of his support at all, I’ve seen lot of support for him and his character