Amber Heard - trial by social media

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I have to admit, I haven't been following this case, but what little I do know about it has been filtered through the prism of social media and I have noticed that Facebook seems to be serving me a LOT of pro-Johnny Depp stories. I've already seen a couple this week (from film-based sites that I do not follow, coming up as 'suggested for you') and have just had another.

I am not a huge film fan, so have never interacted with these film sites, but they are coming up in my feed regularly now, including one page (I just blocked it at the time as it was one of the first) that included a long rant about how 'If these accusations were made about a man, everyone would be crying abuse'.

As I say, I'm not really following the case, but I am finding it sinister how there seems to be a paid PR campaign to promote Johnny's innocence in the wider world, presumably paving the way for him to return to Hollywood relatively unscathed once the dust settles and the trial is over. Am I only just noticing this now or is this becoming a more common method of manipulating the public over relatively trivial (compared to elections, covid misinformation etc) matters?

I have always been a huge fan of JD and followed his career for years. This is why I hate learning about celebrities personal lives as I can't be supportive of an abuser which sort of spoils some of my favourite films.

However, it seems to me that they were both very abusive. He does come across as less psychotic in the courtroom, and it seems like he hasn't obviously lied as much as she has. But like PP says, she's taking the stand at the moment so we may learn something new.

Oh, for context I’ve recently followed the Maya Forstarter case again her employers who sacked her for her views on Womens rights, and currently following Alison Bailys fights against Stonewall for her views on her rights.
Both fascinating, and I am supporting both of them.

Tbf JD does not have a history of DV so I suspect they are as bad as each other. The drugs & alcohol did not help.

Depp was mauled in the media at the time for leaving Vanessa Paradis for (younger) Heard. I suspect Heard married Depp to boost her career.

They both appear to have had different expectations of what they were getting from this marriage and the whole thing became a sham...

Ive seen equal amounts of both, a lot more since AH hired her new PR team.

Johnny's team opened the case so now the Internet has heard all his teams evidence whilst Amber's has just started. Give it a few days and the pendulum will likely swing for more of a balance as they were both pretty vile to each other from the sounds of it

JD was nearly fired from the Pirates movies for being drunk ok set. So his career decline was a result of his poor life choices, not AH. He had track record of antisocial behaviour in the past, including destroying property.

He started a case against the Sun, which he lost, and now a defamation case. He just won't let her go. Absolutely vile man.

His fans seem to be convinced that he's not abusive, but if he is then it must be her fault.

I suspect that no matter what anyone anywhere thinks the truth is that both of them are both victim and abuser. Both totally Hollywood Batshit.

At one point I think I may have given a damn. No I damn well don't.

They both need to go away and find a better way to live.

JD can hardly string a sentence together, his drugs problem has clearly been so acute it has completely fried his brain, they should use his court room appearance in all schools, complete with before and after shots as a deterrent to children. I found it shocking watching him - almost as painful as Biden.

What we are seeing now is a classic case of why women do not report DV sooner, she is being blamed for defending herself, and now it is being played out as they 'were as bad as each other' when in fact he used his power, prestige and money to violate and assault knowing full well he would get away with it.

I feel for her deeply. He has set out to ruin her in every way possible.

Yes because he was so kind to Vanessa

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10785599/Vanessa-Paradis-seen-revealed-ex-Johnny-Depp-called-French-extortionist-c.html

This is an interesting documentary. Not sure when it was made but broadcast last year. It mentions JD and AH and how he's got a bunch of social media experts winning the information war.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0012kf0

The post truth world is a scarey and angry one.

You seem confused. She has admitted to cutting his finger. She put the cigarette out on his face. There is evidence. She has a history of abusing. He has none. You seem to have things weirdly twisted.

I was in an abusive relationship (and he's still in my life as DC's father). I know first hand the way abusive men can paint themselves as victims and their partners as nutjobs. But I also know it is possible for women to be highly abusive.

I don't think JD is blameless and he's turned into a bit of a fuckup but there are posters on here assuming he's guilty and she's been abused based on bias and not evidence. Have you actually followed the case or are you making assumptions?

I think there's extremely strong evidence that she's lied repeatedly and has a history of attacking people. I see the whole thing as him trying to clear his name (rightly or wrongly and I'm not saying he's entirely innocent) more so than dragging her through court.

Depp's case against The Sun was foolhardy on his part.

They called him a wife beater.

The court found that it was on record that he had hit her and the fact she had been violent to him did not matter. He had beat his wife, ergo it was fair to call him a wife beater.

He deserved to lose that one but this is more complex, especially as she is counter suing.

Has anyone seen the awful comments levelled at Heard forensic psychologist? Both forensic psychologists did well under huge pressure. However, there has been nothing but admiration and sexual comments towards Depp's younger psychologist, and streams upon streams of hate levelled at Heard's.

You seem confused. She has admitted to cutting his finger. She put the cigarette out on his face. There is evidence. She has a history of abusing. He has none. You seem to have things weirdly twisted.

Why do you hate women?

I agree OP. I haven't followed the case much either as I'm not particularly interested, however from what I have read there has been abuse and violence from both sides and yet there is great support for JD whilst AH has become a hate figure.

why the need for one to be good & one to be bad, they are both shitty

There have also been a fair number of posts on here pushing the “poor Johnny” narrative - including one thread where Heard was called all sorts of misogynist things by other women - very sad tbh. None of us will know the truth here, but women gleefully resorting to misogynist tropes about a person they know nothing of is pretty disappointing.

Is abuser a mysogynist trope? Seems some think so.

@Spiriteda

the thing is IF she is telling lies or exaggerating what happened ( which watching her now it appears she is ) then she is doing a disservice to genuine DV victims . And that is bad, very bad.

she had the privilege of independent wealth, family , support and she could have got help . A lot of victims do not have that option.

According to her evidence today after him nearly killing her , penetrating her with a bottle , throttling her , and her bleeding she took two sleeping pills went to bed and slept . Even though she could have called security.

just because he was a drunk and took drugs it does not prove he attacked her . In fact on one visit when the police attended they said she had not a mark in her

he obviously is not squeaky clean by any means , but I want to see her cross examination as some of her testimony does not add up.

Both Heard & Depp give every impression of being utterly loathsome individuals who entirely deserved one another. I hope the lawyers manage to string out this ridiculous litigation for as long as necessary to bleed them both dry.

@Midlifemusings no, there were posts on the thread calling her physically ugly, lots of stuff about how she looked, about her acting career, about how “believable” victims of DV should and shouldn’t behave, all sorts of nasty misogynist tropes that I was sorry to see women on here indulging in.

That thread is deleted now AFAIK as some of it was pretty shocking tbh. I’m sure others saw it too.

she had the privilege of independent wealth, family , support and she could have got help . A lot of victims do not have that option

At what threshold of wealth do you think a victim of DV magically ceases to be psychologically impacted or trauma bonded? At what point do you cease to have compassion or empathy for how difficult victims find it to "just leave"?

If a woman is claiming UC, is that plausible to you? What about if she is employed but has no family? Does a woman who's employed and has family cease to be credible to you if she struggles to leave her abuser or admit to anyone what's happening?

At what threshold of wealth do you think a victim deserves it? How many friends or family can a victim have before you no longer believe her?

You're just repeating victim-blaming nonsense.

According to her evidence today after him nearly killing her , penetrating her with a bottle , throttling her , and her bleeding she took two sleeping pills went to bed and slept . Even though she could have called security.

Most rape victims don't immediately call the police. Most people shut down after a traumatic experience. It's the brain's way of protecting us from the reality of what happened.

That's why so many victims of abuse take long periods of time to admit to anyone or report to authorities what occurred.

Narratives like yours are why their abusers walk free - " if it really happened she would have reported it immediately". That's a myth based on ignorance.

In fact on one visit when the police attended they said she had not a mark in her

Fun fact: someone can strangle you to the point of unconsciousness and to the extent of causing permanent damage and it will not leave a single visible mark on your skin.

Traumatic brain injuries suffered by DV victims also don't leave visible marks.

Never mind the fact that the police are not medically trained and their casual observations of a clothed person do not rise to the level of medical or forensic examination for injuries.

There's a lot of ignorant victim-blaming bullshit being trotted out by posters who clearly don't have the first clue what they're even talking about.

Even though she could have called security.

His security team? You mean the ones employed and paid for by JD?

As AH said the reason she took photos and recordings was because:
there was no one to back me up. [It was] just him, his employees, and everyone who had been taking care of him versus my word, and so I started to take pictures [to] say: "Look, this is happening."'

The people around JD have been covering up for him for years, they have a vested interest in doing so.

The emails and text messages sent by JD about AH and VP are revolting, this is a man who claimed he is a 'Southern Gentleman' who would never hit a woman, yet here he is sending vile, deeply misogynistic messages about women he is supposed to love/had loved. The level of hatred in those messages is chilling.

I agree with your post @cornflakedreams