Amber Heard - trial by social media

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I have to admit, I haven't been following this case, but what little I do know about it has been filtered through the prism of social media and I have noticed that Facebook seems to be serving me a LOT of pro-Johnny Depp stories. I've already seen a couple this week (from film-based sites that I do not follow, coming up as 'suggested for you') and have just had another.

I am not a huge film fan, so have never interacted with these film sites, but they are coming up in my feed regularly now, including one page (I just blocked it at the time as it was one of the first) that included a long rant about how 'If these accusations were made about a man, everyone would be crying abuse'.

As I say, I'm not really following the case, but I am finding it sinister how there seems to be a paid PR campaign to promote Johnny's innocence in the wider world, presumably paving the way for him to return to Hollywood relatively unscathed once the dust settles and the trial is over. Am I only just noticing this now or is this becoming a more common method of manipulating the public over relatively trivial (compared to elections, covid misinformation etc) matters?

IMO they've both come across very badly, a pair of really selfish, spoilt individuals stuck in a highly toxic relationship.

I completely agree though that the reporting of it, especially 'reporting' by private individuals on social media, has been hugely one-sided in Depp's favour.

The way he's talking is scary. He sounds like he's very very angry.

She just chopped his finger off. I think he'd be a bit more than miffed! 😂

She didn't exactly chop off his finger. It was clearly a melee with bottles and things being thrown. We know he was throwing things at windows and making a mess. She threw a bottle at him that smashed his finger and some remnants of the bottle or whatever it hit sliced the end of his finger off.

These two had what sound like drunken bar brawls.

She threw a bottle at him that smashed his finger and some remnants of the bottle or whatever it hit sliced the end of his finger off.

OK. She caused his finger to be chopped off. How about that? I still think it's understandable he'd be quite cross about it. I think if I'd caused my husband to lose his toe, my first instinct wouldn't be to get out my camera. 🤔

I am not entirely convinced AH had any part in JD's finger tip being damaged.

JD, a drug addled alcoholic on a bender smashing the place up, the evidence for AH being the one who caused the injury is not clear cut at all.

Those saying she could have/should have left him, he could have/should have left her if what he claims is true, if he'd instructed his people not to let her near him they would have done so. Equally he had ample opportunity not to be a drug addled alcoholic if he chose.

How does anyone know she caused it?
He told his doctor he did it himself. It was cut off at the end - hard to do that by throwing something?
He then used the severed end to write on the mirror and also got paint into the wound - hardly the action of someone who had unexpectedly lost the tip of their finger.

Occams razor - the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. The simplest explanation is he cut the end of his own finger off and used the blood to write with in a drug and alcohol fueled rage.

This is what the judge in the Sun case said:
^In one of those incidents, in Australia in 2015, Mr Depp was allegedly physically and verbally abusive towards her while drinking heavily and taking drugs. Mr Depp accused Ms Heard of severing his finger, but the judge said he did not accept Ms Heard was responsible.

"Taking all the evidence together, I accept that she was the victim of sustained and multiple assaults by Mr Depp in Australia," said Mr Justice Nicol.

"It is a sign of the depth of his rage that he admitted scrawling graffiti in blood from his injured finger and then, when that was insufficient, dipping his badly injured finger in paint and continuing to write messages and other things," the judge said.

How does anyone know she caused it?
He told his doctor he did it himself

I don't think he did. He might have said he chopped his finger off but my grandmother dropped a bowl on my foot and I had to go to hospital for stitches. I never said my grandma dropped a bowl on my foot and cut me. I just said I'd cut my foot.

I don't care what Mr Justice Nicole thinks. If she throws a bottle and it slices of his finger, she's responsible. She might not have meant to slice his finger off, but people go to jail for actions that had a consequence they didn't mean.

Occams razor - the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. The simplest explanation is he cut the end of his own finger off and used the blood to write with in a drug and alcohol fueled rage.

I have to say that's where I am leaning too AdamRyan.

If JD's team had really wanted to sort this out they would have instigated a Police Investigation because if what they and JD are saying then AH is guilty of ABH.

The judge, who heard the evidence, thinks she didn't throw the bottle.

Not sure why you would think you know better.

You really think the simplest explanation is someone cut off their own finger versus it getting sliced off when broken glass was flying around?

There is no hisotry or record of him cutting off his own body parts. There is no evidence or testimony that he smashed and then sliced off his own finger. There is evidence submitted that she threw a bottle and the glass from the bottle or somethign it impacted sliced his finger.

It is very rare to intentionally amputate part of your own body - that is not a simple explanation at all.

The judge who heard the evidence also believed that Amber donated all her money from the settlement to charity. Proven untrue

The judge who heard the evidence also believed that Amber's sister didn't leak the pictures and that Johnny was just paranoid for no reason. Proven untrue

The judge who heard the evidence did not believe that Amber had used drugs to the point of vomiting all over the place. Proven untrue

The judge who heard the evidence did not believe that Amber had left human feces in the bed. Proven untrue

The judge who heard the evidence did not believe...

There is no evidence or testimony that he smashed and then sliced off his own finger.

Considering that he plays the guitar, if it were intentional I'd imagine him to hurt himself in a way that didn't affect his music.

You really think the simplest explanation is someone cut off their own finger versus it getting sliced off when broken glass was flying around?
Yes. How does a flying piece of glass cut through muscle and bone to sever a finger? I can't see how that's possible

Miraculously without causing any damage to any other finger or part of the hand.

JD off his head on drugs and alcohol who knows what he may or may not do to himself, the fact he then decided to paint obscene messages all over the place using the finger and his blood, then paint when the blood ran out means I question his version of events.

There is no evidence or testimony that he smashed and then sliced off his own finger.

There is no evidence he didn't, in fact he said he did initially then changed the story.

Watch this video. It has a pro Johnny slant so you will have to get past that but it has texts and pictures and deposition recordings etc that have much of the evidnece that both sides have used regarding that fight.

I have looked into it in more depth and found the deposition where he describes exactly what happened. His hand was on a marble countertop and the bottle she threw (a vodka bottle) crushed his finger against the marble counter top and shattered, cutting his finger. The hospital records describe there being a crush mechanism to the injury. That makes complete sense.

The deposition is in this video

I'll look into tomorrow Midlifemusings I'll approach it with an open mind.

I've been trying to keep up with this. Background: I've spent 26 years supporting female victims/survivors of DV and over 30 years supporting female survivors of sexual violence. I've met a lot of seriously troubled people and always try to support women personally and politically but, seriously, there are some things in Amber Heard's account(s) that really don't ring true. One of which is the "Johnny Depp cut off the end of his own finger" thing.

1. The activity that gave him most comfort and peace when he was a troubled adolescent was playing guitar and, according to him, it still is. He's still in a band, playing guitar. The Hollywood Vampires are described as a "Supergroup" and feature many acclaimed musicians (including Johnny Depp) none of whom would tolerate a sub-par performance.
2. You need the fingers of both hands to play guitar to this level
3. (Guessing here...) Quite apart from how impossible it is to cut off your own finger - just imagine.... - if you're in such a drunken, drug addled state that you forget how much your music means to you, wouldn't you be holding the knife in your dominant hand to do the damage? Johnny Depp is right handed but it was his middle finger right hand that was severed.

I don't really even understand people concluding Johnny cut his own finger off because there was a line in a text telling the doctor he cut the end of his finger off. That is often how we talk. I broke my arm - that doesn't mean you broke your own arm. It means something happened and my arm was broken.

I haven't been following. The whole thing turns my stomach to be honest, but I've been getting a lot of content popping up on YouTube and Reddit even though I keep hiding it, its very annoying.

They both seem like messy people to put it mildly and its sad to see them both destroy themselves so publicly, but a lot of the things I've been hiding are incredibly misogynistic and use typically sexist tropes. The poor long suffering man putting up with his unhinged, irrational wife, when the reality is he left a loving family and a good woman to relive his wild youth. Such a tiresome cliche

In 1989 he was arrested for punching assault.

In 2017 he punched a location assistant twice on a movie set was sued for that. He was drunk.

He threw a bottle of wine to Ellen Barkin, an ex-girlfriend of him, and Winona Ryder mentioned on one occasion that she was in an abusive relationship when she was 18 (guess who she was dating at the time).

There are text messages between AH and Stephen Deuters, who is part of JD entourage, where the physical abuse from JD is documented, but Deuters minimises it, saying "Johnny is crying about it and is really sorry".

Is it really so hard to believe that a man with a documented history of violence and alcohol abuse was in fact abusive?

Winona Ryder mentioned on one occasion that she was in an abusive relationship when she was 18 (guess who she was dating at the time).

Winona Ryder said this...
The idea that he is an incredibly violent person is the farthest thing from the Johnny I knew and loved. I cannot wrap my head around these accusations. He has never been violent or abusive towards anybody I have seen."

I'm not sure why you think you know more about their relation than her.

He threw a bottle of wine to Ellen Barkin,

Do you mean at rather than to? Either would be wrong. Ellen Barkin said that their was a fight between people in the room and a bottle was thrown across the room in her direction but it was not thrown at her. She said that Depp was never violent in an way towards her.

I will say, though, what is it with all yhis throwing of bottles? It's chappy behaviour and none of them actually clean up after themselves but knave it to other people. It's such inconsiderate behaviour.

Sorry, I didn't read my message before posting. So many mistakes. Crappy not chappy. Auto correct doesn't like rude words!