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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR has no fucks left to give. Although she would express it much better

224 replies

bellinisurge · 25/04/2022 16:47

I love "I don't give a fuck" version of JK Rowling. She's on Twitter just now (ish) obviously praising Allison Bailey and generally supporting Lesbian Visibility Week for actual lesbians.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1518611202934509569?s=21&t=SNCKY7krX4pNL0MyXKTHdg

She's such a tonic

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SomersetONeil · 26/04/2022 03:58

Yes, our Jo is a bit of a nitwit when it comes to the debate about transwomen in general.

Can you unpack this statement a bit @Ides ?

Helleofabore · 26/04/2022 04:05

SomersetONeil

I expect you will be disappointed there Somerset.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 26/04/2022 06:20

Pawtriarchal · 26/04/2022 02:32

I could just hear this Sound of Music style:

L, a dear, an inclusive dear
G, only always a man or son
B, for bi, they call themselves
T, must be included by everyone
Q, white, straight, and probably wed
I, sidelined by those above
A, not interested in a double bed
That will bring us back to Do, oh, oh, oh

😂

LolaLouLou · 26/04/2022 06:21

It's funny how people (men mainly) underestimate JK. She managed to achieve national press coverage on the first day of her friend's tribunal case.

In doing so, she exposed the ridiculousness of intersectional ideology in a really funny way. She did this in two tweets.

donquixotedelamancha · 26/04/2022 07:49

The poster attached the newspaper clipping with the quote to the post you quoted.

Thanks, I see that now but there were no attachments (for me). I'm obviously mixing her up with someone else.

P.S. Is all the text on this thread in bold for anyone else?

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 26/04/2022 08:10

I could just hear this Sound of Music style:

L, a dear, an inclusive dear
G, only always a man or son
B, for bi, they call themselves
T, must be included by everyone
Q, white, straight, and probably wed
I, sidelined by those above
A, not interested in a double bed
That will bring us back to Do, oh, oh, oh

Consider that stolen 😆

Cailleach1 · 26/04/2022 08:11

donquixotedelamancha · 26/04/2022 01:02

"Lesbian Visibility Week was founded by an inclusive lesbian, not a transphobic one."

Took me a minute to figure out what this meant. Next time could you just write 'lesbian who likes cock' for clarity?

That is not a Lesbian, though.

ResisterRex · 26/04/2022 08:12

So the TRA narrative first off was that JKR was evil / so bad she needed cancelling and now (after all the sunlight she's helped shine in) she's just a bit dim and confused 

Still we're none the wiser as to what an inclusive lesbian is, though the background posted upthread I found revealing:

m.imgur.com/a/fnI43o2

Beowulfa · 26/04/2022 08:20

"Stonewall approved lesbian" and her description of the "most marginalised" are just glorious.

Time for the Carry On-esque, but succinct "todger dodger" to be used proudly by lesbians I reckon.

donquixotedelamancha · 26/04/2022 08:20

Cailleach1 · 26/04/2022 08:11

That is not a Lesbian, though.

Yes, that was rather my point; though @DisgustedofManchester would disagree.

OutlookStalking · 26/04/2022 08:34

I particularly loved the response to someone telling her she would be over in 2 years, career ended etc. "Ah well, I had a good run."

And the suggestion has she ever read a book "no, never I might try that" or something to that effect.

She really is raising the feminist profile and is fantastic with it. There are some really kind interactions with detransitioners and those in difficult situations too.

Amazing woman. Her speaking out will make it easier for others to follow.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 26/04/2022 08:38

Stonewall was against gay marriage for years too.

bellinisurge · 26/04/2022 08:44

@Ides is good value for a laugh here on "cosy Mumsnet". Just heading out to do battle to get my HRT prescription filled. Y'know, actual life saving medicine. For actual crippling menopause symptoms.

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334bu · 26/04/2022 08:44

Stonewall was against gay marriage for years too.

Amazing how everybody forgets that.

OutlookStalking · 26/04/2022 08:57

Wow they were against gay marriage!? Why!?

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 26/04/2022 08:59

littlbrowndog · 25/04/2022 23:18

Kev here again. Just plopping. Got nowt to say. That’s kev for you

Exactly what i was thinking

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 26/04/2022 09:04

So the TRA narrative first off was that JKR was evil / so bad she needed cancelling and now (after all the sunlight she's helped shine in) she's just a bit dim and confused

its almost funny…

but it is a bit sad that thats the best that they have 😥and, I hesitate to say this, very embarrassing

TheMarzipanDildo · 26/04/2022 09:17

Ides · 26/04/2022 01:20

Writes great fantasy novels, but is a bit of a nitwit and somewhat embarrassing when it comes to gender politics. Should slap on some more lip-gloss and stick at what she knows best, I feel. :)

Ooh bet you think you’re dead clever.

You sound like a misogynist circa about 1910. They don’t make them like that any more.

borntobequiet · 26/04/2022 09:18

bellinisurge · 26/04/2022 08:44

@Ides is good value for a laugh here on "cosy Mumsnet". Just heading out to do battle to get my HRT prescription filled. Y'know, actual life saving medicine. For actual crippling menopause symptoms.

I heard on the radio that the Government are thinking of appointing a “HRT Czar” though, so we should be all right.
A Czarina might be better though.

Helleofabore · 26/04/2022 09:19

Stonewall were against some aspects of proposed leglislation
of same sex marriage at that time. I believe quite a few gay and lesbian people were for that legislation.

Regarding the Baroness

I think there is a danger when discussing legislation to make over simplified comments such as ‘she was against same sex marriage’. And she was ‘against abortion’.

She was against the wording of the legislation but not against same sex marriage as such. She has explained this.

A particular poster was trying to discredit the Baroness on the abortion voting issue. There was some background to the wording of the legislation there too. If you took the time to read the discussions around her voting history, she has supported abortion before that bill and since. I would go back to find my post on another thread where a similar claim was made against her, explaining it but advanced search is useless at the moment so I won’t bother. (And that poster never acknowledged they were woefully wrong , they never can back to the thread and soon name changed)

Posters who are attempting to discredit the life long work of the Baroness, which includes being a long time director of Save the Children and establishing the AMAR Foundation, plus representing women’s and children’s rights and supporting victims of violence, trafficking etc at European level, probably should consider whether the ‘gotchas’ they are pull in off twitter are quite the gotchas they think.

The reality is, this Baroness has been supporting women and children for most of her 80+ years. She is supportive of lesbians, she is supportive of trans people or whatever you want to try to use to denounce her.

She has a long career of making laws at UK and European level. She takes the time to consider all aspects of those laws and is particularly conscious of where conflicts that can impact on another group’s rights can occur.

Why do posters want laws to pass that have unintended conflicts on others? Just so that someone can try to ascribe false motivations to them? Bizarre when you think of it.

If posters actually cared about her reasons and are not just trying to demonize her, why don’t you contact her and ask her why she has done or said what she has done or said in the past. She answers emails and letters that are not abusive and is very honest and up front about her past decisions.

or …. are posters just trying to score quick wins with what they found on Twitter that end up making them look foolish.

borntobequiet · 26/04/2022 09:19

Lipgloss is one word, don’t you know.

SpindleInTheWind · 26/04/2022 09:21

OutlookStalking · 26/04/2022 08:57

Wow they were against gay marriage!? Why!?

It was complicated.

There was internal disagreement.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/stonewall-is-split-by-row-about-samesex-marriages-2095468.html?amp

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 26/04/2022 09:23

Stonewall decided deliberately not to campaign for equal marriage for years. By the time the legislation came on to the books they were for it but they decided they didn't want to campaign for it for a long time.

Stonewall changes their policies as often as they change their chief execs. It would be interesting to see how many complete 180s they've done in the last couple of decades.

Helleofabore · 26/04/2022 09:23

Ides is good value for a laugh here on "cosy Mumsnet"

yeeeesssss.

I tend to find them laughable as I am sure many others here do.