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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Javid compares fears over trans issues to fears of racism in Rotherham

172 replies

Magenta82 · 22/04/2022 22:38

He is launching an inquiry into the treatment of children and is concerned that other issues are ignored once gender identity is mentioned.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0fea92e4-c265-11ec-8413-422ef6319ad0?shareToken=f3b10324b4fd398ce341189a72a727dc

It looks like things are changing!

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/04/2022 11:55

tabbycatstripy · 23/04/2022 11:52

I see. But now you mention it, I think in the Appleby trial a similar point was raised. The witnesses were asked how many children they had turned down for puberty blockers and (although I wouldn’t be the house on my memory here) I think they said none.

So again the children must be ageing out.

We really need transcripts of these tribunals and any associated evidence bundles to help us build up a concordance of claims. (That can't happen but I can dream.)

AlisonDonut · 23/04/2022 11:55

Didn't one of the reviews or reports [I forget which] say that no records were kept?

IvyTwines · 23/04/2022 11:59

I hope these current reviews will also look into the role of Crowdfunders, which operate for profit, in enabling teenagers and young people to access the money for private, off-piste 'top surgery' and other drugs and operations. There are currently 56 pages for 'top surgery' on GoFundMe, with 18 fundraisers to a page, each looking to raise thousands of pounds for mastectomies, presumably done privately outside health service checks and balances, and from which money the website takes a cut. Many of these fundraisers look very young: I've seen crowdfunders on there run by parents for their children. Many have childlike drawings accompanying the page. Most are, by definition, too young to be earning serious adult wages. If they were, they wouldn't need to be asking strangers for cash.

I strongly believe it has been the development of crowdfunding sites that has made the surgery and pharma industries realise they can earn big money from a whole new market by targeting youngsters - more money than was ever possible to prise out of teenagers before such websites existed.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 23/04/2022 12:02

Of course there is tantrumming about this on Twitter. But the thing is....what are they so afraid of?

If you are going to advocate for the use of puberty blockers for normally developing puberty and you are confident that is the right thing to do, then you should have absolutely no problem with the services delivering being fully open, accountable and properly investigated.

Should you.....?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/04/2022 12:10

tabbycatstripy · 23/04/2022 11:06

Nancy Kelley isn’t happy at the implication that trans activists have been grooming children. Not happy at all.

That's the sound of chickens coming home to roost. Grin

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/04/2022 12:12

And have the Labour party made a comment? Any comment? Just a little comment?
Or are we still left with Starmer's TWAW, don't mention women having a cervix and Lammy knitting a cervix for him?

JustALittleHelpPlease · 23/04/2022 12:26

I'm sure it is a positive step forward but I'm very concerned about a change in law that gives the government more access to our medical records. What else will that apply to?

ResisterRex · 23/04/2022 12:32

In the maelstrom of organisations we might want to email MPs about, of course there is Stonewall and Mermaids but let's not forget some of the others:

GIRES
Gendered Intelligence
Twinkl (their school resources have been highly questionable)
Childline
Barnardos
NSPCC
National Children's Bureau
Children's Society
LGBT Foundation / MORF

Any missing?

mrshoho · 23/04/2022 12:36

it’s because it’s the social-justice-screaming, idealist, thought-terminated wing of the left has been the easiest to infiltrate and keep in line, because they are terrified of not “being kind” or being called right-wing.

This! The Labour Party need to do a fast u turn, admit they've been misled and then be clear on their ideology surrounding the whole self id/GRA/trans position.

What will happen with Stonewall? Will they disband?

The massive scandal of the medical harms that have been done to children under a Conservative government should be a gift to the Labour Party to gain support. But currently they continue to support this horrific ideology.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/04/2022 12:37

tabbycatstripy · 23/04/2022 11:06

Nancy Kelley isn’t happy at the implication that trans activists have been grooming children. Not happy at all.

Well, she can’t say she didn’t know…

tabbycatstripy · 23/04/2022 12:51

I think they think grooming has to be about sexual interest. It doesn’t. You can groom a person to be part of a terror network, or to turn a blind eye to your agenda, or to think your thoughts.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/04/2022 13:10

I reckon we should acknowledge all the work of Stephanie Davies-Arai from Transgender Trend who's been working to put this right since 2015! Quietly, respectfully and thoughtfully always holding children at the centre of everything she does. Flowers

Hoardasurass · 23/04/2022 13:10

@ResisterRex the proud Trust and the school of sexuality and education

Faffertea · 23/04/2022 13:19

A quick google suggests there were just over 2500 children referred to GIDS in 2018-2019 so the 10% getting PBs may be correct but as others have said what we need to know what the reasons are for those who weren’t given PBs. What proportion of the 2500 became unsuitable and why?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/04/2022 13:19

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/04/2022 13:10

I reckon we should acknowledge all the work of Stephanie Davies-Arai from Transgender Trend who's been working to put this right since 2015! Quietly, respectfully and thoughtfully always holding children at the centre of everything she does. Flowers

Hasn't Helen Joyce dedicated something to Stephanie Davies-Arai? Maybe the upcoming paperback of Trans? HJ was being interviewed and she spoke very movingly about SDA's work and its value.

You know the Fawcett statue has lots of little images of important figures on the plinth (55 women – and four men – who were part of the fight for women’s right to vote)? We need a modern version of the statue celebrating all these splendid women.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/24/first-statue-of-a-woman-in-parliament-square-millicent-fawcett

ResisterRex · 23/04/2022 13:21

Thank you @Hoardasurass

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/04/2022 13:33

Faffertea · 23/04/2022 13:19

A quick google suggests there were just over 2500 children referred to GIDS in 2018-2019 so the 10% getting PBs may be correct but as others have said what we need to know what the reasons are for those who weren’t given PBs. What proportion of the 2500 became unsuitable and why?

Were those referrals ones that resulted in appointments? There's a substantial waiting list of young people who have been referred but it's sometimes difficult to know how many referrals have had an appointment, IYSWIM.

According to this the gross number of referrals can include referrals that were not accepted by the service:

Generated on 3 May 2021 by our electronic patient record system. Correct at the time of generation, but subject to change in future. Includes referrals that were not accepted by the service.

gids.nhs.uk/professionals/number-of-referrals/

bellinisurge · 23/04/2022 14:17

The handmaidens have a choice now. Be part of the discussion or throw a tantrum.

Anactor · 23/04/2022 14:18

It’s quite possible Javid is positioning himself for an upcoming leadership election. But it’s equally likely that he’s spotted a giant upcoming shtstrm - and wants to make sure both he and the Tory party are positioned as taking sensible and considered action.

That the sensible and considered action is also the right thing to do is simply one of those happy moments when a politician can do the right thing without worrying about the optics.

RoseLunarPink · 23/04/2022 14:22

But it’s equally likely that he’s spotted a giant upcoming shtstrm - and wants to make sure both he and the Tory party are positioned as taking sensible and considered action.

As health secretary that shitstorm will land fairly and squarely at his door. In a sense, it doesn’t matter that much whether he’s doing it for votes, optics, to protect his dept/party against future accusations, or because he’s actually realised how terrible this is and genuinely wants to stop it - or any combination of the above. He’s doing his job in urgently trying to deal with an existing wrong and brewing scandal in the NHS.

tabbycatstripy · 23/04/2022 14:22

He is positioning himself for a leadership election now, but this has been a long time coming. The Cass review was commissioned in late 2020. The concerns have existed for longer than that.

ResisterRex · 23/04/2022 14:40

I think the timeline is that Mordaunt promised a review in 2019(?) and then Hancock ordered the Cass Review, which Javid has now picked up as the Health Secretary.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 23/04/2022 14:40

tabbycatstripy · 23/04/2022 14:22

He is positioning himself for a leadership election now, but this has been a long time coming. The Cass review was commissioned in late 2020. The concerns have existed for longer than that.

I think this has to be remembered. Even mid covid our "utterly useless" government did actually have it's eye on a few balls.

Never a Tory voter but it has been good to see a number of things pop up, like the Cass Review, to realise that whilst we were all here trying to find some way if making a real difference, someone out there who could already was.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 23/04/2022 14:41

That sounds right to me, about Mordaunt etc.