Javid compares fears over trans issues to fears of racism in Rotherham

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He is launching an inquiry into the treatment of children and is concerned that other issues are ignored once gender identity is mentioned.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0fea92e4-c265-11ec-8413-422ef6319ad0?shareToken=f3b10324b4fd398ce341189a72a727dc

It looks like things are changing!

While the trust accepts the need for changes, it insists that doctors already take children’s wider social and mental health issues into account. Javid is understood to be preparing legal changes that would give Cass access to an NHS database of children treated by the service to see how many later regretted taking puberty-blockers and less reversible cross-sex hormones.

Trans orgs should welcome this sort of scrutiny. They often state as fact how few children have regrets or go on to detransition but in reality lack the evidence for claiming that. If they are right then this will provide evidence for that claim.

As a previous poster said though I am a little confused by the sudden existence of such a database when previously the Tavi have claimed not to have a way of tracking children and young people who moved beyond the service.

This could end up being a massive piece of work to undertake trying to fill the gaps in the whole picture because surely it will involve tracking individuals down most of whom were never followed up on (Sinead Watson on Twitter has talked about this).

Good. He really appears to be grasping the full horror of the NHS experimenting on children due to a bloody ideology.

Seeking an answer to the question 'what is transgenderism' will do that.

Now he needs to stop it being taught in schools. Urgently.

The story is the lead on the Times front page in the printed paper

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I don’t know how many years these consent forms were valid for, but here are the forms from 2020 for puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. I thought them interesting at the time as they specify that CSH patients will not be questioned on why they have decided to withdraw from treatment. I tried to find other examples of consent forms that specifically stated that as I was curious to see if this were a normal point for consent.

@rogdmum is that that same sheet from the Biggs paper?

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/Biggs_ExperimentPubertyBlockers.pdf

It's covered mostly on p4.

Well done, Sajid Javid.

They didn’t send me that sheet and the PB consent form doesn’t have a list of benefits/risks, although the CSH ones do on the first page of the consent form

Thank you rogd for more information and clarifying.

It looks like many of the stated "benefits" could easily be under the risk/side effects side.

I'm glad Javid seems to be doing what he can to turn over every stone. It can't come too soon.

I'm cautiously optimistic, it feels like the concerns that we have been raising are finally being investigated.

I can sort of see how it got to this point, the T was appended to the LGB so people saw it as the new gay rights issue. People don't understand the complex issues and don't want to be bigoted. There are people who claim to be experts who say what should happen, they give scary statistics on suicide. Well meaning people assume that everyone else is well meaning.

There are striking similarities to Rotherham, good people don't want to be racist or transphobic so they give people in minority groups less scrutiny and safeguarding is sacrificed to political correctness.

The usual suspects are tearing out their hair on Twitter.

I have to hand it to Javid, he has integrity. Did he authorise Cass? I doubt it was Hancock.

Of course they're protesting. Children are the front and validation for adults, the cash cow for the future and an opportunity for toxic adults to dominate, coerce, and bully. Plus all that £££ income from schools and every other organisation working with children who need who need their professional expertise 'corrected"

Now if we could only turn back time & send our unhappy teens to the sort of therapy they needed in 2016,17,18,19,20,21.

I sincerely hope progress is made and other families don’t suffer the way ours has.

I'm so sorry to hear that you have been affected by this Olives.

Hopefully once the investigation has taken place there will be more support available for people living with the consequences.

BigGreenOlives ❤

So pleased to read this this morning. Almost disconcerting to finally see the adults come back into the room. It seems both the Ministers for Health and Education are waking up to the disastrous consequences of unquestioning centering of gender ideology, especially for women and children.

There’s an English professor at Exeter (Andrew McRae) who is tweeting about this, and says, ‘Javid amplifies one of the interim report’s concerns, The Times splashes that on its front-page without proper consideration of the interim report (which it describes as an ‘interim review’), and doesn’t approach Cass for comment. Playing politics with young lives again, guys?’

Better than playing Dr Frankenstein with them.

What are people so worried about anyway? If the GIDS protocols are well-considered and removed from ideology, and there is firm evidence of benefit to giving 12 year olds puberty blockers and then cross-sex hormones because they are ‘trans’, the inquiry would only show that. Why does sunlight on this issue scare the hell out of them?

Just what is 'gender' hormone treatment (1st para)? Why can't they say sex? Even Jane Austen and the Brontes used that word seemingly without embarrassment.

‘Children are the front and validation for adults...’

I think this is the most significant motivation. For ‘transgender’ to be an innate characteristic rather than a psychological state (an identity that is formed over time and in response to conditions), there have to be ‘trans children’.

@BigGreenOlives I wish I had a time machine, too.

The whole reason for all this treatment is because of the ideology of gender that tells people that not to identify with regressive stereotypes that are associated with your sex make you trans.

Gender is the cause of all this mess, because it puts people in boxes and the people who don't fit feel they are either wrong, or special.

Without gender men could wear dresses, enjoy makeup, do whatever without the need for medical intervention.

Absolutely.

So so happy to read this. I think Sajid Javid actually gets it.

I think there is still a level of fear of the TRA response hence the quote from his ally.

It's still going to take a very long time to improve things on the ground but I just hope it really is the tide turning.

Do Labour have enough time to change their positron before the next election? I hope so.

It's interesting the last few statements by ministers /the pm have had less and less of the hysterical responses we're used to seeing. I think once an idea becomes within the realm of acceptable ideas to a person off the street who hasn't thought much about it, then it really takes off. Hence the tide feels like it's turning. Well done to the Tories for increasing sunshine and therefore removing that toxic element.

That's a good intervention. Glad it's the top article (on the website version).

The parallel with Rotherham is powerful.

I think Jarvis gets the issues clearly and deeply. I think Boris does as well. It is a scandal just waiting to blow open.

This is a relief to read. I have never understood why, when medicin and laws around medicine allow individuals able to consent, able to choose their courses of treatment or refuse treatment all together, one particular group of people seem to take it all so personally. The reality is if one person closes one course as it's what's right fir them, it says precisely nothing about the course of treatment someone else has chosen. Just because one person refuses cancer treatment so they can go travelling around the world while they feel ok, doesnt mean that they are saying everyone should do that. No one should be having treatment they don't want or feel isn't right for them to validate the feelings of strangers.

Its ridiculous it was ever thought that teenage females and adult males would ever have the same needs socially, medically and psychiatrically.

If someone.is secure in their choices then what does it matter what someone else does.

Another tweeter: ‘The Tavistock and Portman Trust sees 2.5k children a year - 200 of whom access hormones.” So 9/10 don’t - what do people want that number to be?’

For children, that number might well be zero. I can accept that there might be a child, or ten children, whose dysphoria is so strong and persistent that cross-sex hormones are the best option for them before they are 18.

But there is also a possibility that there is no such child. That psychological treatments might be better and might help all these young people be reconciled with their sex.

Since we have no good data, no follow-ups, and no understanding of the reasons for the huge increase in young females with dysphoria, how would we know?

That’s how we know this is ideological. People who are not ideological in their approach are curious.