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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Vagina Museum - er what?

28 replies

lightisnotwhite · 18/04/2022 15:16

www.vaginamuseum.co.uk/muffbusters/1b-genderandsex

Great, So busting taboos about vaginas isn’t really helping women is it. Because men have them too. Or something.

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tabbycatstripy · 18/04/2022 15:18

These people talk nonsense all the time. I’ll never go to their venue.

crumpet · 18/04/2022 15:19

They lost the plot a while ago

Artichokeleaves · 18/04/2022 15:29

The whole thing is a male centric, TQ+ vanity project. Many threads if you search.

WildIris · 18/04/2022 15:34

They lost the plot a long time ago - they are all about the men!

I really wouldn’t waste my time with their nonsense!

Lovelyricepudding · 18/04/2022 15:34

Only men have a vagina - women have front holes.

GoodWeatherforDucks · 18/04/2022 15:35

Notably on International Womens Day they tweeted an entire thread about transwomen (who don’t even have a real vagina) and their role in history.

twitter.com/vagina_museum/status/1501155930423107588?s=21&t=Jzje0F96ZnlnS0Pit2KWTQ

I wrote to them:

To the people that run this museum

I had never heard of this museum and would have definitely entertained the idea of visiting but after reading your tweet on International Womens Day I will never set foot here.

In your eagerness to embrace gender identity ideology, you seem to have completely separated the vagina from the real, live breathing biological women who have them. A “trans” vagina can only ever be an inferior facsimile, requiring first surgery to be created, then medication and physical dilation to be maintained.

Your IWD tweet was an insult to biological women and girls.

WildIris · 18/04/2022 15:39

The Vagina Museum have become solely a vanity project for men in dresses and blue eyeshadow!

PlainJaneEyre · 18/04/2022 15:47

Surprised they are using the word "vagina" - why not "front hole" like Sussex health authority ? 🙄🙄🙄

DomesticatedZombie · 18/04/2022 16:21

They are pretty much just an off the wall Twitter account these days, I believe. For some reason they've not had all that much support from women, can't imagine why.

lightisnotwhite · 18/04/2022 16:29

Ah ok. I just was linked to jobs vacancies they had. Apparently run by feminists.
I am saddened by this.

Also the reality of having a “vagina” ( which someone else pointed out is the bit of female genitalia that benefits men rather than women) is generally the problematic bit of womanhood. Everything from endometriosis to FGM and that’s before the trouble periods themselves cause us.

@GoodWeatherforDucks Thank you. Good response. I will have to send them something too.

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nepeta · 18/04/2022 16:29

They are similar to several other organisations now run by young women. There's an Irish advocacy group initially about getting more women into STEM fields which is now about the many and wonderful identities and not at all about the discrimination against female-bodied people in STEM or the societal messages to girls about mathematics as something they can't do. Almost all US abortion advocacy organisations have been captured, and the female reproductive system turned into a gender-neutral one.

It's illuminating to learn about this, because it shows that many young women believe women's rights in the West have been won and are not at all at risk even if the concept of 'woman' is erased. This is not something they will continue believing as they get older, but it's also rather horrible given that globally the situation is still dire and now the few groups of people who could speak up against some of the worst things don't see the need to do so.

Artichokeleaves · 18/04/2022 18:06

@nepeta

They are similar to several other organisations now run by young women. There's an Irish advocacy group initially about getting more women into STEM fields which is now about the many and wonderful identities and not at all about the discrimination against female-bodied people in STEM or the societal messages to girls about mathematics as something they can't do. Almost all US abortion advocacy organisations have been captured, and the female reproductive system turned into a gender-neutral one.

It's illuminating to learn about this, because it shows that many young women believe women's rights in the West have been won and are not at all at risk even if the concept of 'woman' is erased. This is not something they will continue believing as they get older, but it's also rather horrible given that globally the situation is still dire and now the few groups of people who could speak up against some of the worst things don't see the need to do so.

One of several pieces of evidence across multiple threads today that this ideology, once it enters a service or charity or department, it acts as a cuckoo.

It takes over everything, it dominates all time and attention, the original purpose of the group and the people it intended to serve are lost and forgotten behind the need to service and further the ideology- apparently no other interests, no other people and no other causes can be considered in conjunction with it, the ideology just eats everything. And it never stops having needs that must be met.

Frankly it's appearing increasingly incompatible with ... well. Pretty much everything. Which is not doing itself any favours. But it's proving that it needs keeping out of politics, resources and services purely because it will not allow them to function or do anything else once it gets involved.

ISpyCobraKai · 18/04/2022 18:22

I've posted that on my my FB and I never put my head above the parapet so to speak.
Surely no-one can think that's ok?

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 18/04/2022 18:55

They've blocked me on Twitter, I assume because I liked a lot of critical tweets, I never tweeted about or at them myself. They've been batshit a long time.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 18/04/2022 19:27

@GoodWeatherforDucks

Notably on International Womens Day they tweeted an entire thread about transwomen (who don’t even have a real vagina) and their role in history.

twitter.com/vagina_museum/status/1501155930423107588?s=21&t=Jzje0F96ZnlnS0Pit2KWTQ

I wrote to them:

To the people that run this museum

I had never heard of this museum and would have definitely entertained the idea of visiting but after reading your tweet on International Womens Day I will never set foot here.

In your eagerness to embrace gender identity ideology, you seem to have completely separated the vagina from the real, live breathing biological women who have them. A “trans” vagina can only ever be an inferior facsimile, requiring first surgery to be created, then medication and physical dilation to be maintained.

Your IWD tweet was an insult to biological women and girls.

Well said.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 18/04/2022 19:29

One of several pieces of evidence across multiple threads today that this ideology, once it enters a service or charity or department, it acts as a cuckoo.

It takes over everything, it dominates all time and attention, the original purpose of the group and the people it intended to serve are lost and forgotten behind the need to service and further the ideology- apparently no other interests, no other people and no other causes can be considered in conjunction with it, the ideology just eats everything. And it never stops having needs that must be met.

This is very disturbing. They don't even need to set up groups: just take over existing groups and turn them.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 18/04/2022 19:29

@PlainJaneEyre

Surprised they are using the word "vagina" - why not "front hole" like Sussex health authority ? 🙄🙄🙄
OMG no, I'm so glad I don't work for them any more, I would have self combusted by now.
dropthevipers · 18/04/2022 19:46

Just checked out the trustee page-they all look about 12, and yes, pronouns all present and correct.

nepeta · 18/04/2022 20:37

It's hard to see the point of the museum when the people having vaginas cannot even be named. It's very Victorian in an odd way, like covering up table legs lest someone think of women's legs when seeing them.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 18/04/2022 20:41

I went to one of their events quite early on. I really wanted it to be positive. But they talked about vagina havers and they were plugging a fundraising event with TRAs.

JoodyBlue · 18/04/2022 20:48

They make it sound so reasonable. What they don't realise yet it that gender is the tool of female (and male) oppression. The realisation will come and I guess many may start from scratch with real feminism, yet again, trying to liberate people from stereotypes. Somewhat depressing. Maybe it is like giving up smoking used to be, you have to try several times before you really latch on to what is happening. You reach a genuine understanding of what is causing oppression eventually, maybe and free yourself. Maybe not....... it is sad that this piffle is being taught to youngsters though.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 18/04/2022 21:49

This is an extract from a trans activist's blog on how to drive gender critical feminists out of groups.

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Parallel Institutions

A solid first step is to create organizations that are inclusive to all that are redundant with whatever function the TERF’s run. Sometimes it’s enough to simply beat the TERF’s at their own game. People like less discrimination, not more. Our trend as a society is toward greater understanding of one another. For this to happen, you have to provide a viable alternative to whatever function the TERF’s are currently offering so people can choose to avoid them.

For example, in Vancouver, you have several great rape crisis centers, such as the WAVAW, that serve all women. That stands in contrast to centers who abuse the notion of “women only spaces” to ban women from aid. All of these centers are universally superior in safety, size, and quality to centers that are not inclusive.

In Austin, we have Central Texas Femdoms (CTFD), a kink group for dominant females that is trans inclusive. They formed due to the transphobic comments of the founder of another pro-Domme organization. As a result, the TERF run group is nowhere to be found, as CTFD is the one with access to local play spaces and clubs.

A famous historical example isCamp Trans. This was the alternate music festival setup across from MichFest, a music festival that was sick with TERF influence. While it sadly ended in 2012, its legacy lives on. It served thousands of women of all kinds and provided a safe harbor for community to thrive. (More about MichFest later.)

Leadership Reform

You make a group that does everything the TERF group does, but without the unnecessary hate. Yet the TERF group finds a way to persist. Now what?

A gradual strategy that can succeed is infiltration and replacement. Entryism is a century old non-violent tactic that works in any group that uses voting to determine leadership. Gather a group of like-minded allies, join the group, and then vote one another into key positions. Attract more via outreach and over time the group will be geared toward promoting social justice and human rights.

We have seen this approach yield splendid results in pop culture. “Good ol’ boy” clubs in science fiction, video games, comics have all but ceased to exist. Today, the first three-time Hugo Award winner is N.K. Jemisin. That’s a hard break with science fiction’s history of rewarding stale old white men. That was achieved thanks to the infiltration and replacement of the conservative fans by more and more progressive elements.

We also see this at Marvel Comics, which publishes such groundbreaking work as Gabby Rivera’s America Chavez, which puts queer women front and center. That would’ve been unheard of without the editorial shift achieved through concerted entryism into that business by Heather Antos and other leaders. Noelle Stevenson’s gorgeous queer-centricShe-Ra and the Princesses of Powerseries would not have been possible without the dissolution of the old barriers. Stevenson got the role of show runner thanks to her work in comics.

With TERF groups, many will likely try to ban trans women from membership. This can be worked around. Cis women allies can easily enter a given organization. If they work as a collective, it’s a matter of figuring out the number needed to achieve a simple majority (or whatever number is needed to overrule attempts to stop the bloc). For example, if a collective has about 25 members, then a group as small as 30 could wrest control from the bigots.

Then, when it comes time to select leaders, remove the old bigoted guard and install rational leadership. Done correctly, this is a wonderful bloodless democratic coup. It’s enabled since TERF’s are a tiny — if loud — minority of all women. Finding women willing to help replace their hate with love and inclusiveness is therefore not an impossible task.

This tactic is especially sound when trying to take over a group that has resources and performs functions that are important to the broader community, but happen to be biased against women. For example, discriminatory rape crisis centers on one hand perform an important function for the segment of women they do serve, even as they impose misogynist exclusionary definitions of who they’ll treat. Maintaining continuity for the delivery of this kind of service is important — no one wins if they’re shut down or disappear. A gradual internal take over simply allows the organization to stop being a hate group while still caring for women in need.

Purse Strings

Let’s say the group has taken steps to make entryism difficult or maybe their size makes that approach too difficult. Now external pressure becomes the main method, as this can yield positive results. The easiest target: the group’s money. Financial pressure is a proven way to cause a group to reform or shut them down so one of the before mentioned parallel groups can take their place.

There are several ways to hurt a hate group’s purse strings: political lobbying, boycotts, picketing, and lawsuits.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 18/04/2022 21:51

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 18/04/2022 21:54

Oh flip, archive link is blocked.

Well if you find the usual archive site, and put a dot, a P, an H, and a forward slash followed by JSaVT, you can read the rest of it.

Artichokeleaves · 18/04/2022 22:10

'love and inclusiveness...'

The fantasy is just beyond parody.

Female people just want to be allowed space that's female only for the female people who need it. They don't give a shit how many other services are created that are mixed sex, they don't care if they're gold bloody plated with waiter service and hot tubs, they just want to be able to access services.

Preferably without nut jobs inclusively and lovingly nailing fucking rats to the door as they did with the mentioned one solitary rape crisis centre that catered for females who could not use a mixed sex space.