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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brighton midwives told to say “front hole”

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tabbycatstripy · 18/04/2022 06:32

Daily Mail reports that a care guide for transgender patients pregnant or giving birth suggests midwives should use ‘alternative’ anatomical terminology, so, instead of calling a vagina a vagina, they could use “genital opening” or “front hole”.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10727051/Midwives-urged-avoid-using-proper-words-anatomy-avoid-upsetting-trans-patients.html

Aside from the issues of linguistic misunderstanding that might arise when patients are allowed to choose what medical professionals name anatomical parts, isn’t “front hole” simply degrading language? Isn’t it pornified and dehumanising?

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 18/04/2022 15:31

You're way overthinking this. "Front hole" is simply child terminology, no more, no less.

But even for very little children (who are clearly not going to be given medical advice about a baby they are about to give birth to), it's such a ridiculously non-specific non-term.

Your front hole could just as easily be your mouth, either of your nostrils or your belly button. You might as well call your legs your 'lower arms' and your knees your 'lower-arm elbows' - or call your cheeks your 'face-arse'.

Explaining things to tiny children in a way that they can understand, but which is still simplistically factual (and not actually designed to cause them more confusion) is one thing, but anybody giving birth is going to be plenty old enough to understand basic proper terms. Not necessarily 'official' medical terms, but the commonly-understood everyday terms for each particular body part.

As PP have said, surely nobody can deliberately do something as uniquely female as getting pregnant and giving birth, all the while being triggered and offended at anybody who is there to assist them simply referring to the names of female body parts in the course of their professional services. Either the mother believes that she is a man with a vagina, ergo that "some men have vaginas" or otherwise understands that men don't have vaginas, ergo she is not a man.

Some people seem to want to buy their cake, eat their cake, still have their cake - and then make a million by selling the recipe and exclusive marketing rights to Mr Kipling.

Hoping4second · 18/04/2022 16:45

And at no point are they offering antenal counselling to deal with the pregnancy induced dysphoria.

It's really just a fig leaf, and an offensive one at that.

MiladyBerserko · 18/04/2022 17:12

Behold the English language, degenerating to the description of biological characteristics of female humans as a set of geo-located holes.

What shall we call ears? Audio assisted holes with semi rigid surrounds? The penis, a remarkable both rigid and flaccid appendage located to the front of the anus.

And what indeed of the anus? Given its primary function, how will the owner of this orifice comumicate to A&E the location of the new home of various small vertrabates or vacuum attachments?

MarshaBradyo · 18/04/2022 17:20

The language is awful imo

TheWayOfTheWorld · 18/04/2022 18:23

Women can give birth through their urethra now?!

BlanketsBanned · 18/04/2022 18:29

I thought the front hole was the urethra, the middle hole the vagina and the back hole the anus. Maybe we should call them peepee hole, baby hole and poopoo hole like some toddlers do.

Snugglepumpkin · 18/04/2022 18:31

Men might think it's the front hole for them to stick their penis in.

It's deeply offensive & obviously based on a porn centred vision of what being a female is.

It only counts the holes you could stick a penis in.

Actual women would never come up with those words to describe that part of the body because they live in that body & it's only the 'front hole' to MEN.

Any midwife prepared to use such degrading language is not fit to be let near pregnant women.

If a biological female was in denial about being a biological female, they would not have piv sex, get pregnant & have a baby because ONLY biological females can do that.

It's frankly their problem if they don't like reality because having a baby is not compulsory even if they get pregnant & if they'd been having sex like a man it wouldn't have resulted in pregnancy so they don't even live the lie they want the world to support.

No man can have a baby.
Nobody gets breast enlargements because they think they are a man because they see large breasts as a womans thing.
Same with having a baby.
If you are having one naturally, you know you are a woman who has been doing things that only women do.

Maternitynamechange · 18/04/2022 18:39

Not a hole. Technically a cavern.

NoooooCoooooode · 18/04/2022 19:28

@Moochio

It's not a hole though is it! It's a complex structure.
It’s not a canal, or a flange either.
SilverOtter · 18/04/2022 19:50

Sigh. I just don't understand. If men can have vaginas, as they would have us believe, then why is it even a problem to use the correct terminology?

If my eyes roll any harder I'll have to pick them up off the floor🙄🙄🙄

Maternitynamechange · 18/04/2022 22:30

Transwomen can have vaginas.
Women can’t.

NotBadConsidering · 19/04/2022 03:20

@Maternitynamechange

Transwomen can have vaginas. Women can’t.
No transwoman has ever, or can ever have a vagina.
Joystir59 · 19/04/2022 06:19

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

You're way overthinking this. "Front hole" is simply child terminology, no more, no less.

But even for very little children (who are clearly not going to be given medical advice about a baby they are about to give birth to), it's such a ridiculously non-specific non-term.

Your front hole could just as easily be your mouth, either of your nostrils or your belly button. You might as well call your legs your 'lower arms' and your knees your 'lower-arm elbows' - or call your cheeks your 'face-arse'.

Explaining things to tiny children in a way that they can understand, but which is still simplistically factual (and not actually designed to cause them more confusion) is one thing, but anybody giving birth is going to be plenty old enough to understand basic proper terms. Not necessarily 'official' medical terms, but the commonly-understood everyday terms for each particular body part.

As PP have said, surely nobody can deliberately do something as uniquely female as getting pregnant and giving birth, all the while being triggered and offended at anybody who is there to assist them simply referring to the names of female body parts in the course of their professional services. Either the mother believes that she is a man with a vagina, ergo that "some men have vaginas" or otherwise understands that men don't have vaginas, ergo she is not a man.

Some people seem to want to buy their cake, eat their cake, still have their cake - and then make a million by selling the recipe and exclusive marketing rights to Mr Kipling.

You can tell a child of any age the word vulva for the female sex organs. As a child grows up and needs more information on female sexual anatomy you can teach the words clitoris, urethra, vagina, labia and what they each mean. In no world is there ever a need to avoid the correct words for parts if the body. Woman have struggled forever to name to look at to own and enjoy their own sex organs. I'm angry to the core of my being that anyone should refer to the vaginal, this glorious organ, the very birth canal itself, an organ no male ever had or ever will have, as a 'front hole'!!!!!
Maternitynamechange · 19/04/2022 09:10

@NotBadConsidering Well obviously. That was the point.

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