Women don’t know they’re women unless they test their chromosomes, says Stonewall

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Telegraph article freely accessible at the link. It looks like more co-opting of intersex to forge ahead with getting to the point where gender identity trumps sex.

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From the article:

"The session began by setting out the definition for intersex people, who fall outside societal expectations of the male-female binary. Staff were told: “Most people do not have their chromosomes tested, so many of us don’t actually know what they are.”
It is widely understood that for the vast majority, males have XY chromosomes and females XX, a biological process of DNA in egg cells when fertilisation occurs, however, some intersex people can rarely have a mixture.
A source who attended the session, titled “First steps to LGBTQ+ inclusion”, said it was also discussed how intersex people, who form less than two per cent of the population, may have both sets of genitals. The session materials referred to “sex assigned at birth”, rather than birth sex."

And more on the silencing of those who understand and apply the real law:

"an HR worker at Bristol, told The Telegraph she had to write a letter of apology after trans activists on a staff equality committee walked out last year over her defence of the word “maternity” in university policies.
While the word ultimately stayed, she said she was subject to a three-month informal probe when staff complained about the “problematic” and “exclusionary” term and said she had been offensive by stating only biological women can give birth.
“There is a culture of fear on campus. Female professor friends and I are scared to even talk about women’s rights in public spaces near the university,” she said. “We speak in hushed tones looking over our shoulders.”"

I'm surprised they haven't come out with we all start as female therfore we are all female

I thought that according to Stonewall, a women was anyone who felt like it, so what's all this rubbish about chromosome tests?

I decided to take the easy route of birthing two children then getting diagnosed with a life-limiting female cancer.
So much more straightforward.

FFS!

When I bought Ddog I had his chromosomes tested to be sure he wasn't a cat.

DSDs aren't so common as to rewrite humanity. They may think that sounds all growed up and scientific, bit it makes them sound like total fuckwits.

For thousands of years humanity has managed with a quick check if the genitals at birth, latterly by a whiz bang magic machine prior to birth. But hey! When science is reduced to feelings, this is the shite you end up with.

What have people with disorders of sexual development got to do with Stonewall anyway? At ether branching out into complex medical areas now? Might they find a cure for cancer?

(side eyes DS sitting next to me...that I grew in my uterus, gave birth to vaganially*, and fed with milk from my breasts) Nope, no idea if I'm a woman. Better check my chromosomes. And DH's. Maybe he can carry and birth the next kid.
*cesarean is just as womanly. Absolutely no shade as to how you bring your children into the world.

Far right and far left groups can go so far that they end in a circle and become much the same.

Stonewall has become so pro-LBGT that it has become homophobic. They tell people not to use words like "boyfriend" or "girlfriend", wasn't that what anti-gay groups told gay people to do (not to name the sex of their partner)?

A friend of mine, a very lovely person but a but inclined to leap aboard any passing bandwagon that has 'KIND' in big letters down the side, recently posted a long spiel by some biologist about how sex is soooo much more complex than a simple binary, the SRY gene, non-binary without knowing it, yadda yadda, many of us don't know our own genes etc etc, and all those shouty people who say sex is simple and obvious are Wrong Wrong Wrong.

That's was us GC feminists told.

Firstly, although the pitch was very much trans acceptance (Lia Thomas timing), it was really all about intersex conditions. And secondly, most people who are intersex are either diagnosed at birth or at puberty.

It was another attempt to complicate something that is really very simple. We have no problem sexing animals 99% of the time and humans are no different.

PS Having done menarche, menstruation, several pregnancy, milk production and menopause, I have no doubt what my sex chromosomes say.

Can't believe they are still pushing the idea that because a tiny minority have DSD's, yet are still male or female, it somehow proves gender identity ideology.

"How many legs does a human being have?"

"Well it's a very complex question because some people are born without them, some have them amputated etc".

Or

"Two".

Stuff over DSD is no different, they find a tiny minority where the human body hasn't developed properly and then conflate it into being some general rule.

So transwomen are women because they feel all womanly, but women need to check their chromosomes before they can call themselves women?

Riiiiiight.

Both sets of genitals is almost unheard of IIRC. Both sets of gonads is slightly less rare (ie still very rare). I'm not aware of any condition where both sets of gonads are functioning. Not an expert though. You quite often see people having staring that 1.7% of humans have both male and female genitals - you can track where that nonsense has come from, especially when not even national newspaper journalists can distunguish between cock and balls.

'Hazily stating' not having staring (puts on glasses)

I thought that according to Stonewall, a women was anyone who felt like it, so what's all this rubbish about chromosome tests?

Being able to hold two or more contradictory opinions at once is the very essence of Genderism:

DSDs are so incredibly common that lots of women have them without noticing; but also make people neither male or female; but also male and female are just social constructs and no-one in history has every really believed in sex until white imperialist men invented it with their evil Science; but also Science supports all this and only racists disagree.

You are a slow learner, Winston.” Said O’Brien gently.“How can I help it?” he blubbered. How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”
“Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.

More incoherent batshit.

There is a goal and desired outcome, which is to remove all female boundaries that inconvenience male people doing and having whatever they want at all times with no ability on the part of female people to say no.

This is wild and incoherent/contradictory gambit #93271 to try and find a convincing reason why this desired outcome is convincing as opposed to misogyny beyond the dreams of avarice.

Gambit #93272 will be along any minute and will also shamelessly make use of someone and something else's tragedy in the name of trying to get what they want.

Funny, my uterus breasts and ovaries never had a chromosome test but they did their jobs the best way they could. Between them they somehow cobbled together decades of bloody periods, PMT, orgasms, conception, babymaking, labour, milk production and the menopause. I just took their word for it, that I'm a woman.

 Maybe it's not too late to get my chromosomes  tested . I'll need to get DH done as well  just to make sure he's not a transexual lesbian.

Stonewall are doing a great job of showing themselves to be utterly batshit.
Does NK think she will ever get another job after this all hits the fan?

@LittleWhingingWoman

Stonewall are doing a great job of showing themselves to be utterly batshit. Does NK think she will ever get another job after this all hits the fan?

NK is hoping to get parachuted into the HOL before the wheels come off this looney tunes bandwagon.

What utter shit Stonewall talks. Need I say more?

I never use expensive skin care products, Lots of women are, because the are taken up so much, by all the advertising of them and what they may read about them in magazines etc, just as they are taken up with other kinds of products also, Its big money for the cosmetics industries.

I know lots of women who have beautiful skin, older women, who have always used simple skin care products. some such like their own Mothers used years ago. Most of them never eat junk food,, but go out in the fresh air as much as possible,all which is better for the skin.

But of course, now young girls get into thinking all these expensive products are going to work miracles if they start using them when young., as well as thinking they will need these fillers and all sorts of crap done.

As it happens I do know I am a woman because my genome was tested as part of a process of establishing whether my dc had a genetic condition. Before then... well I just assumed it must have been coincidental that I became pregnant rather than my dh. Jolly lucky I married someone who produced sperm rather than speggs.

Fucking hell

“Most people do not have their chromosomes tested, so many of us don’t actually know what they are.”

So Stonewall do think you're either male or female according to your chromosomes, and a small number of people have exceptional patterns of sex chromosomes that might result in unusual expression.

So how does that mean you can be male and announce you are/expect to be treated as female? It's clearly got nothing to do with a small percentage of people with different chromosomes. If you're XY, you're not XX, no matter what else might exist.

Otherwise it's like saying some people have mosaic trisomy 21, therefore if I don't have trisomy 21 at all, I can announce I have and expect to be treated as if I have. Utter bollocks.

As for testing, as per the science, testing is only needed if there's some lack of clarity about your sex. As I've menstruated, borne 2 DC and breastfed and am in general good health I don't think I need a test. I would need a test if there were any indication something wasn't working / expressing normally.

Chromosomes? I thought that kind of thing was oppressive medicalising?

Really?

No. You’re right. I could be a man!