Women don’t know they’re women unless they test their chromosomes, says Stonewall

[ResisterRex]

Telegraph article freely accessible at the link. It looks like more co-opting of intersex to forge ahead with getting to the point where gender identity trumps sex.

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From the article:

"The session began by setting out the definition for intersex people, who fall outside societal expectations of the male-female binary. Staff were told: “Most people do not have their chromosomes tested, so many of us don’t actually know what they are.”
It is widely understood that for the vast majority, males have XY chromosomes and females XX, a biological process of DNA in egg cells when fertilisation occurs, however, some intersex people can rarely have a mixture.
A source who attended the session, titled “First steps to LGBTQ+ inclusion”, said it was also discussed how intersex people, who form less than two per cent of the population, may have both sets of genitals. The session materials referred to “sex assigned at birth”, rather than birth sex."

And more on the silencing of those who understand and apply the real law:

"an HR worker at Bristol, told The Telegraph she had to write a letter of apology after trans activists on a staff equality committee walked out last year over her defence of the word “maternity” in university policies.
While the word ultimately stayed, she said she was subject to a three-month informal probe when staff complained about the “problematic” and “exclusionary” term and said she had been offensive by stating only biological women can give birth.
“There is a culture of fear on campus. Female professor friends and I are scared to even talk about women’s rights in public spaces near the university,” she said. “We speak in hushed tones looking over our shoulders.”"

But also, it doesn’t matter even if sex was more complicated, even if you could successfully argue there are more than two sexes because of DSDs, so want? It’s a con trick and false logic to suggest that implies that sex is therefore unimportant, or fluid or changeable.

Ethnicity is more complex than just black and white. Disability is more complex than just totally able bodied or totally incapacitated. Age is more complex than either newborn or 100. And yet none of these complex spectrums mean that if you are one thing you can just announce you’re another and take that other group’s rights, spaces, sports, awards or whatever. It’s a completely ridiculous supposed “gotcha”.

So what not want

I actually have tested my chromosomes. At university, they were showing us how to do a Barr Body test. Buccal swab, add the right stain and look through a powerful microscope. If you're XX one is inactive in every cell and takes up the stain readily and you see it as a noticeable blob in the nucleus.
Funnily enough I already knew I was female, what with the menstrual cycle, breasts etc.
Ironically for Stonewall that particular test isn't perfect as women with Turner's syndrome don't have a Barr Body and men with Kleinfelters syndrome do.
Also neither of those are actually "intersex" they are differences of sexual development, not some "other" class of human.

Hey maybe I'm not really a woman!

I did give birth to 2 kids, but hey maybe I really have male chromosomes!

Who would have known!

Funny though - all the men I know, who may not actually have male chromosomes, have never actually had kids. How can that be if they have female chromosomes

This shit gets dafter and dafter every day.

If we are found to be men do we get a pay rise? [hides episiotomy scar under a large pair socks tucked into some y fronts].

I’m more than happy to have a chromosome test to confirm I’m a woman. But surely once we are all card carrying XX woman doesn’t that totally exclude the XY trans woman who are so invested in this ridiculous argument.
Although my 21yr old niece has been brainwashed (university) into thinking that transitioning actually changes your chromosomes, much to the amusement of her aunt who has a phd in genetics. Niece has an A level in biology, perhaps they skipped the genetics section.
The trans communising have been working very hard indoctrinating the 18-25 age group. Fortunately some of them are capable of critical thinking but many are not.

So my DH can announce he’s a woman and I just have to roll with it (after checking his preferred pronouns), but I have to get tested to make sure that I am definitely a woman. When we had genetic testing as part of our ivf, the clinic didn’t check that I was genetically female, I’m guessing because that’s what I am.

I just can’t understand the logic of this at all. It makes my head hurt.

Surely Stonewall aren’t finally admitting an understanding of the science of biology?

@Soubriquet

Really?

No. You’re right. I could be a man!

🤣🤣

@PermanentTemporary

Both sets of genitals is almost unheard of IIRC. Both sets of gonads is slightly less rare (ie still very rare). I'm not aware of any condition where both sets of gonads are functioning. Not an expert though. You quite often see people having staring that 1.7% of humans have both male and female genitals - you can track where that nonsense has come from, especially when not even national newspaper journalists can distunguish between cock and balls.

Correct. Usually one or both "sets" of genitals will be underdeveloped or abnormal in some way ie micro penis / enlarged clitoris / small testicles/ shallow vagina etc. Gonads can be referred to as "streak" gonads which means there is some gonadal tissue, but again, not usually fully formed or normal. Usually they are removed due to the risk of future malignancy. And again, you are absolutely right in saying that there has never been a case of a human born with two sets of fully functioning gonads (able to produce both sperm and eggs). It's never happened in the history of human biology, despite what a lot of TRAs seem to suggest. You either produce (or are set up to produce) large or small gametes, never both, and never something entirely different. THAT is why sex is BINARY TRAs! It is estimated that 0.018% of live births have some kind of DSD / VSD. 2% is a vastly inflated figure but it feeds into the TRA narrative.

And we seem to have known how to reproduce in every corner of the world without access to chromosomal tests, and have done for the last hundreds of thousands of years.
And its always the females who give birth 100% of the time.
And the males who provide the sperm 100% of the time.

And when this shit show is over, that's the way it will continue.

My sons are aware I am female without checking chromosomes or anything else, we all just know I gave birth to them. Stonewall can suck it. I'm over their bullshit.

Quite.

"women don't know they're women unless they test their chromosomes," says Stonewall.

"You're round the frigging bend," says everyone else.

It started off with something like , 'Friendly biologist here!'. I knew from the tone exactly where it was going to go.

I always pronounce that as Twerp.

This has brought up the memory of how much I miss a former FWR poster, Bowlofbabelfish who was a high-profile researcher in genetics. She was amazing. The thread where one poster mansplained something about genetics to her and she produced such a fabulous answer.

Oh Hadrosaurus, how I miss Bowl too and her incisive question 'do you believe humans can change sex?' to which, of course, there was never any reply. Bowl was a geneticist.

Was it the time some twerp asked her if she had passed any science exams cos, you know, science has moved on since she'd probably been at school & she didn't realise it. So Bowl replied with her amazingly impressive qualifications post-A level which included, iirc, two masters degrees and a PhD supervised by a Nobel Laureate.

Priceless.

I also appreciated Bowlofbabelfish‘s posts, but let’s be honest, you don’t need to be a geneticist to know what they’re saying is garbage, you just have to be, you know, a human being and not batshit.

@Rightsraptor

Oh Hadrosaurus, how I miss Bowl too and her incisive question 'do you believe humans can change sex?' to which, of course, there was never any reply. Bowl was a geneticist.

Was it the time some twerp asked her if she had passed any science exams cos, you know, science has moved on since she'd probably been at school & she didn't realise it. So Bowl replied with her amazingly impressive qualifications post-A level which included, iirc, two masters degrees and a PhD supervised by a Nobel Laureate.

Priceless.

I remember Bowl. Such a great poster, I hope she's still around somewhere. I remember she was on maternity leave which is probably why she had spare time to argue with idiots. Time goes so fast, her new baby is probably about 4 or 5 now!

Was it the time some twerp asked her if she had passed any science exams cos, you know, science has moved on since she'd probably been at school & she didn't realise it. So Bowl replied with her amazingly impressive qualifications post-A level which included, iirc, two masters degrees and a PhD supervised by a Nobel Laureate.

That was it. Forthright, brilliant, and incisive sum her up.

let’s be honest, you don’t need to be a geneticist to know what they’re saying is garbage, you just have to be, you know, a human being and not batshit.

True.

And yet so many smart people are attempting to argue otherwise and polluting public understanding and discussion as a consequence: I believe this is intentional and purposeful and falls in line with the strategy of the Denton playbook.

@dropthevipers

I thought that according to Stonewall, a women was anyone who felt like it, so what's all this rubbish about chromosome tests?

This is such a point isn’t it.

Stonewall are tacitly (well, accidentally) acknowledging that some of us only have the claim to womanhood that is bestowed upon us by chromosomes...

Is the same in reverse? Do men only know they’re men if they’ve had their chromosomes tested? There may be lots of men out here who naively think they are if the male species, but are actually part of the fairer sex!

Stonewall are tacitly (well, accidentally) acknowledging that some of us only have the claim to womanhood that is bestowed upon us by chromosomes

This is what happens when the onlynreal thing you worry about is being seen ro disagree with the right people. Most of us realise that truth exists regardless of who says it. We don't all assume we are right/left wing because we agree with Donald trump when he says the sky is blue. When you follow this path of havung ti disagree with stuff purely because of who said it then it always ends up comimg full circle. You accidentally end up agreeing with the people who " started it"

Well no, you don't need to be a geneticist to know what sex is. But there are circumstances, such as arguing with idiots, when it helps.

@Riverlee

Is the same in reverse? Do men only know they’re men if they’ve had their chromosomes tested? There may be lots of men out here who naively think they are if the male species, but are actually part of the fairer sex!

So can that be a double negative? If you’re a man who ‘feels like a woman’ trapped in the wrong body… but it turns out your chromosomes are female… does that mean actually you feel like a man as the ‘body that didn’t feel right’ was female all long? 🤔

And yet so many smart people are attempting to argue otherwise and polluting public understanding and discussion as a consequence: I believe this is intentional and purposeful and falls in line with the strategy of the Denton playbook.
'Polluting public understanding' describes it exactly. It's as if they're deliberately missing the point, and doing their best to make sure everyone else does, too.

Anyone who has ever had a pregnancy, even if it didn't result in a live birth knows without a doubt they have XX chromosomes. Which is the majority of the female population.
As far as I'm aware the only DSD that presents as female after puberty without male type muscle and skeletal development is Turners syndrome and people with that condition don't have a Y chromosome.

What an own goal for Stonewall... 😂