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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women don’t know they’re women unless they test their chromosomes, says Stonewall

131 replies

ResisterRex · 17/04/2022 13:13

Telegraph article freely accessible at the link. It looks like more co-opting of intersex to forge ahead with getting to the point where gender identity trumps sex.

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From the article:

"The session began by setting out the definition for intersex people, who fall outside societal expectations of the male-female binary. Staff were told: “Most people do not have their chromosomes tested, so many of us don’t actually know what they are.”
It is widely understood that for the vast majority, males have XY chromosomes and females XX, a biological process of DNA in egg cells when fertilisation occurs, however, some intersex people can rarely have a mixture.
A source who attended the session, titled “First steps to LGBTQ+ inclusion”, said it was also discussed how intersex people, who form less than two per cent of the population, may have both sets of genitals. The session materials referred to “sex assigned at birth”, rather than birth sex."

And more on the silencing of those who understand and apply the real law:

"an HR worker at Bristol, told The Telegraph she had to write a letter of apology after trans activists on a staff equality committee walked out last year over her defence of the word “maternity” in university policies.
While the word ultimately stayed, she said she was subject to a three-month informal probe when staff complained about the “problematic” and “exclusionary” term and said she had been offensive by stating only biological women can give birth.
“There is a culture of fear on campus. Female professor friends and I are scared to even talk about women’s rights in public spaces near the university,” she said. “We speak in hushed tones looking over our shoulders.”"

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flyingbuttress43 · 17/04/2022 16:41

Hmmm. Having sorted the gay/lesbian inequalities Stonewell needed another source of income so invented the trans issue. Maybe they are seeing which way that is now going i.e. not in their favour, and had a lightbulb moment. Let's take on intersex, got to be a bit more cash there.....

TabithaHazel · 17/04/2022 16:47

Surely this blasts their trans woman are woman rhetoric out of the water then? I doubt any of the AGP TRAs will have female chromosomes, so there is no way they can continue with TWAW. Stonewall have lost the plot even more than I thought.

rogdmum · 17/04/2022 16:53

Does an amniocentesis count? If so, I can safely say I know the sex of both of my children even if I can’t be sure of my own sex having never had chromosomal testing done on myself! 🤔

Cornettoninja · 17/04/2022 16:54

I have so many questions! Sooo, that means chromosomal make-up is a definitive answer regardless of how one feels or believes? Is that what is being presented here?

We have a recognised scientific test to detect whether someone’s feeling matches their outward societal gender appearance so is it being argued that a chromosomal profile should be part of any formal treatment to transition? I’d be okay with that I think, but I don’t think those would give the results TRA’s expect…

Rightsraptor · 17/04/2022 16:55

I'd love to see the handout.

SW are getting increasingly desperate and boy, is it showing. Grin

nepeta · 17/04/2022 17:02

@TabithaHazel

Surely this blasts their trans woman are woman rhetoric out of the water then? I doubt any of the AGP TRAs will have female chromosomes, so there is no way they can continue with TWAW. Stonewall have lost the plot even more than I thought.
Yes, and that is why all this is so silly: They are sayin that if I haven't had my chromosomes tested I can't argue that I am a woman (despite all the actual evidence of that) and then also to argue that the bloke down the street who has sired four children and is now transitioning isn't one.
dropthevipers · 17/04/2022 17:02

@Rightsraptor

I'd love to see the handout.

SW are getting increasingly desperate and boy, is it showing. Grin

Is it just me, or does anyone else think SW are making this up as thy go along?
tkwal · 17/04/2022 17:06

Do men need to test as well ? Chromosomes are something that can't be changed by hormonal treatment or surgery. Not even by gene therapy. So is this Stonewall accepting that we should all accept being labelled by chromosome results ? Would this be the beginning of a whole new nightmare leading to socially acceptable termination of those with chromosomal "differences"?.

ChopinBoard · 17/04/2022 17:08

Ok then, let's all get our chromosomes tested. Pretty sure I, and most of you, will be definitively shown to be female, and all men will not. What then, stonewall?

Birdie746 · 17/04/2022 17:12

Just ignore them. What else can you expect from famous paedo/abusers rights group Stonewall. Big hairy bollocks to them 🤮

quiteathome · 17/04/2022 17:13

What is the non-binary chromosome?

Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 17:14

@quiteathome

What is the non-binary chromosome?
Chromotheythem
GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 17/04/2022 17:17
Grin
Soubriquet · 17/04/2022 17:23

Chromotheythem GrinGrin

Crcohetmonster · 17/04/2022 17:24

So stonewall are admitting transwomen are not women? Wow! It’s taken some time but there we are.

Loveacuppa · 17/04/2022 17:33

If you've worked out boy/girl via an amniocentesis, how does that fit with squishing them into the "sex identified / recorded at birth" box? Is there yet another classification required? "Sex identified pre-birth" Hmm

MangyInseam · 17/04/2022 17:35

Poeple who have had children knows they are male or female without DNA testing. Which is a large number of people. What idiots.

buckeejit · 17/04/2022 17:55

@EdithStourton was it that shit from a friendly biologist. What a crock of shit. I don't know enough about biology & cell/chromosome structure to refute it but clearly they haven't just discovered all these extra X & Ys floating about that show that sex is more complex than male & female. It's the smug way it's presented too 🤮

Rightsraptor · 17/04/2022 18:54

Someone wise (maybe the much missed Bowlofbabelfish, late of this parish) said if you've either given birth or fathered children then you can be almost 100% certain you have the expected chromosomes.

I had mine tested - XX. Would still be a woman even if I didn't know that.

What's that 1960s song - 'war, what is it good for? (absolutely nothing)', Let's change the first word to Stonewall.

LittleWhingingWoman · 17/04/2022 19:13

“There is a culture of fear on campus. Female professor friends and I are scared to even talk about women’s rights in public spaces near the university,” she said. “We speak in hushed tones looking over our shoulders.”

It's fucking NUTS!

ResisterRex · 17/04/2022 19:19

@MarshmallowSwede

I just had a baby. Wait until I tell my husband we can’t truly be sure I’m a woman until I do this test.

These people are fucking insane!

This really made me laugh Grin you're right - it's fucking insane
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Rainbowshit · 17/04/2022 19:43

So I who have gestated two beautiful babies can't be sure I'm a woman until I have my chromosomes checked, but my transwoman friend who has fathered two beautiful babies is definitely one because they say they are? 🤔

TheBiologyStupid · 17/04/2022 19:59

TRAs like to think that the vanishingly rare incidences of an intersex person being designated female at birth but later undergoing male puberty is some kind of "gotcha" proving that sex isn't binary. Which is like claiming that just because very occasionally someone is mistakenly declared dead only to revive later disproves the living/dead binary...!

Cuck00soup · 17/04/2022 20:24

@TheAbbotOfUnreason

So transwomen are women because they feel all womanly, but women need to check their chromosomes before they can call themselves women?

Riiiiiight.

Thank you for this excellent explanation Grin

EdithStourton · 17/04/2022 20:47

[quote buckeejit]@EdithStourton was it that shit from a friendly biologist. What a crock of shit. I don't know enough about biology & cell/chromosome structure to refute it but clearly they haven't just discovered all these extra X & Ys floating about that show that sex is more complex than male & female. It's the smug way it's presented too 🤮[/quote]
Yep, it was. It started off with something like , 'Friendly biologist here!'. I knew from the tone exactly where it was going to go.

I went off and googled the SRY gene and guess what I found? That if it's in the wrong place, its generally obvious either at birth or when puberty doesn't happen.

And yes, they are very rare: about 1 in 5,000, as a PP said. The stats that show them as being much more common include things like hypospadias, where the opening of the penis is misplaced (I knew a little boy who was born with that; it was surgically corrected. There was never any question about his chromosomes, and he's gone right ahead and fathered a child...)