Two women pregnant by Trans inmate

[LittleWhingingWoman]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10716417/Two-women-female-New-Jersey-prison-PREGNANT-trans-inmates.html

They are not properly inclusive. It should be 'two people pregnant' as we have no way of knowing how the pregnant people might identify. They might be non-binary!!!!

/sarcasm/

Sat here with popcorn waiting to hear about immaculate conception as two female genders obv can't produce a child?

Or am I getting mixed up and it's actually all about sex that can reproduce?

Ffs.

Post operative - no issue with that

You might not have an issue with that. I do.

Women in prison are widely recognised to have already experienced significant trauma even before they are received into custody - trauma unique to their sex and almost wholly inflicted by men. Don't take my word for it. HMCIP, the Prison Reform Trust, Royal Holloway, even the MoJ's own findings - all are remarkably consistent.

There are women in prison so deeply traumatised by male violence that they shrink and try to make themselves invisible in the presence of men, any men - and that includes post-operative trans identified male prisoners. I have seen their freeze response and their anxiety with my own eyes.

They only feel safe in a women-only prison.

For that reason, I agree with @IsabelaMadrigal. The only acceptable solution is no males in female prisons.

Glinner's substack has a piece about a killer of a woman who was transferred to that prison within the last year. Not sure if my link will work
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/sadistic-killer-with-a-blood-fetish?

So more has been revealed on this - here is a letter written from one of the women who is all love and light about it...imploring for an understanding of love.

justice4demi.org/2022/04/13/freedom-love-pregnancy-and-trauma/

And here is what that woman is in person for - the "thrill kill" murder of a young couple who had just left their engagement party.

murderpedia.org/female.B/b/bellamy-latonia.htm

A lot to unpack if this is true.

@sophienelisse

Sat here with popcorn waiting to hear about immaculate conception as two female genders obv can't produce a child?

Or am I getting mixed up and it's actually all about sex that can reproduce?

Ffs.

Youre getting mixed up with what the immaculate conception is though. The immaculate conception is the blessed virgin Mary.

It quotes the Department of Correction's director of external affairs Dan Sperrazza, as saying: "It appears the women became pregnant from consensual sexual relationships with another incarcerated person."

What I wonder is how many other sexual relationships between women and - let's face it - men were going on. 2 women got pregnant. I bet a whole lot more were having sex - consensual or not - with these "women"

This whole thing is a crock of shit. How on earth have normal human beings come to accept that people with penises capable of impregnating a woman should be incarcarated with women because they are in fact women? the world has lost its collective mind.

Or rather the middle class world has lost its collective mind but is happy for vulnerable voiceless women like prisoners and domestic shelter users and mental health inmates etc to bear the burden of that while the middle class live on in their happy clappy it won't affect me live. horrible.

Survival sex is not consensual and I don't trust the prisons version of events.
Prison staff were prepared to lock a man and a woman in a prison cell and leave them for the night, and the complaints system is not fit for purpose.

It makes me also wonder about the pregnancies that can now be "accounted for" if a warden rapes an inmate. Perfect cover. Just normalise men being in the womens wing and they can do whatever they want.

The love and light version of the "we found love in a dark place" narrative is going to be pushed by TRAs now.
To what ends we can only imagine.

Since when did two women create babies?
A man must be involved, with a penis...but how can this possibly be?
What you mention the magical STFU transgender word, ah definitely cannot be that, it must be the women's fault, they spontaneously became pregnant and must be blamed.

Yes!!! Fox News Texas is running a segment on the two women raped in prison. It has a huge audience.

It’s even worse than we thought.

Two Edna Mahan prisoners filed a lawsuit last year seeking to end New Jersey’s gender identity policy for prisons, claiming they were harassed by trans inmates and that transgender inmates were having sex with female prisoners.

ACLU legal director Jeanne LoCicero defended the policy of allowing transgender inmates in a women’s prison as one that protects the rights of transgender women. WTF???!!! Inmates were already getting sexually assaulted, they were uncomfortable and didn’t want to get groped. They sued and were told Think of the rapists’ comfort!

"[It's] in line with New Jersey's strong anti-discrimination laws that prevent discrimination and harassment on the basis of gender identity," she told NJ.com.

The union representing correctional officers at the prison has meanwhile slammed the policy. EVERYONE KNOWS IT’S BONKERS! Except for those with deep pockets.

"We opposed this policy change believing it would be detrimental to the general population of female inmates being housed at Edna Mahan and also bring added stress to our correctional police officers assigned to this institution," the union's president told NJ.com.

Women are suing about getting raped in their prison and they couldn’t care less.

What can we do? Should I contact the ACLU lady?

The new details are also reported in the DM:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10719369/Trans-prisoner-got-inmate-pregnant-serving-30-years-killing-foster-father.html

[quote RoyalCorgi]The new details are also reported in the DM:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10719369/Trans-prisoner-got-inmate-pregnant-serving-30-years-killing-foster-father.html[/quote]
They fell in love. Did the bepenised impregnator also "fall in love" with the other woman that is now pregnant too?

Would not the most sensible option be a separate prison for trans people? We can then have woman’s prisons, male prisons, and trans prisons with separate m2f and f2m sections.

To me, that is the only logical way to move forward

The Scottish Prison Service looked at the idea of separate wings for transwomen offenders a few years back. The TW offenders they surveyed hated the idea because they wouldn't be able to "copy" real women. It was one of the first things tk open my eyes to the idea of women just being viewed as support humans. Once you start chucking male-bodied prisoners in with women, all sorts of unhealthy behaviours start up as well - women recognise that they are under the "male gaze" and some will start that competitive mate-attracting behaviour, some will completely shut down out of fear, and a lot of people will feel seriously uncomfortable.

There is a serious drive in the womens estate in E&W to reduce the proportion of male officers. Its a bit like the single-sex schooling situation all over again. Women have better outcomes in all-female establishments, whereas men do better when there are women officers working with them, diluting the testosterone.

Male-bodied offenders have no place in womens prisons, however they feel or identify.

The original article quotes Department of Correction's director of external affairs Dan Sperrazza, as saying
It appears the women became pregnant from consensual sexual relationships with another incarcerated person.

Mr Sperrazza's choice of words is interesting - pregnant women vs another incarcerated person.

It seems he's not too impressed with the policy and its outcomes either!

@PonyPatter44

The Scottish Prison Service looked at the idea of separate wings for transwomen offenders a few years back. The TW offenders they surveyed hated the idea because they wouldn't be able to "copy" real women. It was one of the first things tk open my eyes to the idea of women just being viewed as support humans. Once you start chucking male-bodied prisoners in with women, all sorts of unhealthy behaviours start up as well - women recognise that they are under the "male gaze" and some will start that competitive mate-attracting behaviour, some will completely shut down out of fear, and a lot of people will feel seriously uncomfortable.

There is a serious drive in the womens estate in E&W to reduce the proportion of male officers. Its a bit like the single-sex schooling situation all over again. Women have better outcomes in all-female establishments, whereas men do better when there are women officers working with them, diluting the testosterone.

Male-bodied offenders have no place in womens prisons, however they feel or identify.

I don’t particularly care what the TW feel in this instance. Don’t want to go to a trans only prison? How about don’t break the law and then you won’t have to 🤷‍♀️

But now you’ve mentioned single sex schools, well that is something I have never thought about. My dd goes to an all girls grammar school, what is the future of those within the new trans world we are coming into? Another thread I guess

It REALLY doesn't matter if it is consensual or not. Women don't go to prison to get pregnant FFS!

@Timeforausernamechange22

Would not the most sensible option be a separate prison for trans people? We can then have woman’s prisons, male prisons, and trans prisons with separate m2f and f2m sections.

To me, that is the only logical way to move forward

Totally agree. Everyone TQ+ has two choices: the provision of their own sex or a specifically TQ+ provision. Recognise identity, recognise and provide for TQ+ needs, ensure safety. And female people don't get made into resources for male people by the prison service, and also get to have their identity, needs and safety met to the same equal degree.

However to put it bluntly, that will not be wanted by those with power, because the females in the female space and being in the female only space is what this is about. That's the unreasonable bit where the answer has to be no, because females are not a sub sort of lesser human.

@Timeforausernamechange22

Would not the most sensible option be a separate prison for trans people? We can then have woman’s prisons, male prisons, and trans prisons with separate m2f and f2m sections.

To me, that is the only logical way to move forward

But trans women are women. So no that won't work.

But trans women are women. So no that won't work.

That's been tried. It doesn't work.

TWATW. Female people need female only provision. Needs are going to have to be met separately.

Plus, noone is putting transmen into the male estate. I have a feeling it may even be against MOJ policy, so they are clearly aware of the ramifications of putting someone with a female body in with men....but its acceptable the other way?

Would not the most sensible option be a separate prison for trans people? We can then have woman’s prisons, male prisons, and trans prisons with separate m2f and f2m sections

No. The most sensible solution would be men staying in men's prisons and the ones with a gender identity can have their own wing if they are 'vulnerable' to attacks off other men.

Some men say they are afraid if being locked up with other men but if women don't want to be locked up with men it's tough.

But trans women are women. So no that won't work.

I’m going to take that as sarcasm.

I feel the same about sports that there should be a separate trans category. You know if we are going to embrace this new world of self identification and want to be inclusive and accepting that’s fine, but not at the expense of women (and if you have a vagina you are a woman). Trans people need their own appropriate facilities