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Owen Jones has relentlessly persecuted women online, including his own colleagues. An external investigator brought in by The Guardian has found him guilty of bullying a female columnist.

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ChristinaXYZ · 13/04/2022 10:30

"Owen Jones has relentlessly persecuted women online, including his own colleagues. An external investigator brought in by The Guardian has found him guilty of bullying a female columnist."

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1514169122027884544

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 15/04/2022 22:22

Stand down! The comment from Kennedy is still there, just displaying in a different place in the thread.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/04/2022 23:02

@ResisterRex

Does this work?

[[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eb941d92-b2ec-11e8-8fb1-ac438dd6af00?shareToken=cd065f748b0d53aea0882e273efcb992]]

I never knew this:

"Aimee Challenor, the former Green Party candidate who used her father as her election agent even though he was facing charges of raping and torturing a ten-year-old girl, for which he was later jailed, was among those who responded to Ms Kennedy’s post of August 14 to the Trans Rights UK Facebook group, with suggestions of who to blacklist. All the named academics were women."

Some of those apparently targeted included Stock and Freedman. That article is from 2018 - about a large but closed group that listed people who ran courses to avoid, I think. Of Stock, this was written in the group's page:

"“File a hate crime report against her, and then the chairman and vice-chair,” advised one. “Drag them over the f*ing coals.”"

This still works for anyone who doesn't have access to the Times :

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6145781/University-researcher-asked-Facebook-group-circulate-list-academics-disagreed-her.html

NK has an interesting co-author policy, of course.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3545194-Who-is-the-trans-academic-who-cited-own-work-under-previous-name

CompulsiveSoupEater · 16/04/2022 07:21

Was it Kennedy who had Linda Bellos and Venice Allen in court for the crime of being able to correctly sex human beings?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/04/2022 08:23

No that was Giuliana London. Similar former name though.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/04/2022 12:26

[Goldsmiths] confirmed that she was an employee but would not explain which department she worked in or why she appeared to be listed twice in the staff directory: once as Mark Hellen, in the department of educational studies, and secondly as Natacha Kennedy, who is named in equality and diversity reports. Both profiles appear to be active.

It also remained unclear why an academic paper on Ms Kennedy’s specialist subject of transgenderism in children, published by the Graduate Journal of Social Sciences in 2010, cited two co-authors: Natacha Kennedy and Mark Hellen.

Neither Ms Kennedy nor Goldsmiths would clarify whether the paper was by two individuals or the same person. A spokesman said: “Goldsmiths prides itself on its inclusive community and is committed to the values of freedom of speech within the law.”

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 18/04/2022 12:42

Has anyone found the full Guardian statement yet? I'd ask Jones where it is, but he hasn't tweeted anything (except a retweet of someone else, who posted a picture of a shirtless Owen) since 14th April.

DomesticatedZombie · 18/04/2022 12:43

Still no tweets? Crikey.

zanahoria · 18/04/2022 13:01

He must be dead

Only rational explanation

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 18/04/2022 13:03

I think he tweeted more than this when he was on holiday in Malta with the Novara media set.

P.S. Malta has the strictest laws on termination in Europe, and even if a woman has an ectopic pregnancy which will kill her if not terminated, she and her surgeon have to wait for permission to operate to be individually granted, on a case-by-case basis.

It's got self-ID for trans people though, so it's the Progressives' Pet Principality.

HardyBuckette · 18/04/2022 13:12

If I were a betting woman I'd say he's been told to keep schtum.

Organictangerine · 18/04/2022 13:20

@HardyBuckette

If I were a betting woman I'd say he's been told to keep schtum.
Hopefully forever.
HardyBuckette · 18/04/2022 13:26

We can but hope.

BreadInCaptivity · 18/04/2022 13:44

I still haven't seen anything from The Guardian apart from that statement LOJ put out on Twitter that had no provenance apart from his say so.

It's hardly suggestive of his employer going in hard to bat for him.

I'll bet something is going on behind the scenes and it wouldn't surprise me if he's been told to keep his head down.

It's a weird dynamic though isn't it? Much of his SM platform was built on the back of his Guardian columns and now the Guardian is seemingly in thrall to that power.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 18/04/2022 13:49

I think he got told to stay off twitter until Easter is over, and the HR dept are back at work.

HardyBuckette · 18/04/2022 13:54

Assuming the statement is genuine and Owen didn't invent it, which surely would be just too batshit, I wonder if what went on was so bad that this genuinely is the best spin they could put on it. As in, there was an investigation, it found he'd done various things but the term bullying wasn't ever used so they could plausibly deny that. That this sort of is the Guardian going out to bat, or as much as they think they can in the circumstances. They do have substantial motivation to minimise any bullying or mistreatment that went on, after all.

HardyBuckette · 18/04/2022 13:58

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I think he got told to stay off twitter until Easter is over, and the HR dept are back at work.
That does sound like a sensible idea. Things escalate, people have a drink, it's warm weather and he can't be trusted.
PronounssheRa · 18/04/2022 14:02

@HardyBuckette

If I were a betting woman I'd say he's been told to keep schtum.
The alternative is OJ has taken on board that countless women have said his behaviour is unacceptable and OJ is reflecting on how he can be a better person.

I haven't seen any evidence that OJ is capable of self reflection though.

PearPickingPorky · 18/04/2022 14:16

"Harrassment and intimidation" is just another word for bullying, really, isn't it. In fact, I think it's worse than bullying.

He's a bona fide menace to women.

Supersee · 19/04/2022 10:00

Seems someone at C5 really likes LOJ. He's back on Jeremy Vine this morning.

PearPickingPorky · 19/04/2022 10:23

@Supersee

Seems someone at C5 really likes LOJ. He's back on Jeremy Vine this morning.
I'd love to know what the people who work on Jeremy Vine think of him.

I remember he once went off on a monologue about the awful misogyny that's running through society, and I thought "you hypocritical snivelling little shit. Surely everyone there is thinking the same as me".

Supersee · 19/04/2022 10:27

@PearPickingPorky if I had Twitter I'd probably ask them that question myself. I've had to switch over, I can't watch him and feel positive thoughts at the same time.

Somanysocks · 19/04/2022 10:33

LOJ said this morning that going to university taught him how to construct an argument. He has certainly taken that and run with it.

Somanysocks · 19/04/2022 10:34

He also said 'pregnant women' so maybe he's learning.

PearPickingPorky · 19/04/2022 10:45

@Somanysocks

He also said 'pregnant women' so maybe he's learning.
He's not. He doesn't actually believe all the gender bullshit he spouts (very few do), and he accidentally let's that slip when he's trying to think on his feet.
DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 11:21

From 37 minutes discussing rules on trans athletes

www.channel5.com/show/jeremy-vine/