Monsoon

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Oh, I'm so bored.

Here they go... twitter.com/MonsoonUK/status/1513811068686155778?s=20&t=zQnlx9T5PprC0S2v-ECHxQ

Another one off the list. Who do they think spends lots of money with them?

@Helleofabore

Just like Vegetarians fight for meat based dishes to be put on the menus of vegetarian restaurants.

Feminists should stand for women's rights only and jettison this shite about standing up for men too otherwise it means absolutely nothing and has been the gateway for standing up for men who want to erase women.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/non-binary-teen-kicked-out-23666589

Looks like not all monsoons are like that. Funnily enough comments got stopped really quickly because too many people said men are not women.

Maybe we could make this weekend a DO NOT SHOP AT MONSOON WEEKEND.

Let them know that women hold the purse strings to their business and we are more powerful economically than any trans business.

A simple lesson in letting them know that the tail does not wag the dog.

@valadon68

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with male people wanting to try on dresses. It's regressive to say that these are women's clothes only. It's a tricky one. Could an assistant not have supervised the changing rooms (assuming there were secure cubicles for everyone)? I guess easy to say and harder to implement if they don't have the staff.

There's not in theory but shops will have to be prepared for higher than average damages.

I once worked for a small indie shop that sold vintage style dresses, blouses etc. We had more than your average number of male customers because that type of clothing is popular in some circles.

Women's clothing is cut and sewn for women's bodies. You end up with a higher than average number of bust zips and ripped seams when male people try to fit into them.

Yes there's variation in body type amongst women but the wide backs and shoulders many male people have is an issue even if a fairly slim male sizes up to say a size 18. Female clothes sizing just doesn't correlate to male bodies.

This is because women's clothes aren't made to accommodate massive shoulders, even with weight gain our proportions in that area aren't the same as males.

Probably not an issue for a large chain with built in wastage. It was a bit for an indie shop with small margins.

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Not a female changing room, they don't have that right, being a male.

Like it or not, trans women are legally allowed to use them though.

Can you explain how a male has a legal right to use a female single sex service?

Like it or not, trans women are legally allowed to use them though.

There's no "legal right" for males to use female single sex changing rooms. It's up to the individual service provider to set the policy.

I just read this again. So they is non-binary. But they is crowdfunding for hormones?

@GoodJanetBadJanet

,Or are you just going to have a go at the MNer who only has positive things to say about her experiences of older afro-Caribbean women? It was more the '' I've met old a Carribbean women and this is what they and their attitudes are like. '' Bit of a generalisation, what all? Seems a weird thing to say, it's not something you'd usually say about people just because you've met a couple. Different to a description of one person, even if it wasn't a complimentary one.

What made you think she's only met a couple of Afro-Caribbean women in her life? Are you perhaps projecting here? I've certainly met far more than a couple!

Explain to me why a positive generalisation is worse than a person making negative remarks about the appearance of an identifiable individual on the internet. Charlie did not have to answer that question from a randomer at all. The only reason another member of the public would need to ask that information is in order to identify the staff member, possibly to harass them. The only people who should have been getting a description of a the member of staff should have been Monsoon, in a private communication.

Yet, not only did Charlie give a description, Charlie expressed themselves disparagingly in the process.

This level of contempt makes me rather wonder how Charlie acted in store when there wasn't an audience.

Different to a description of one person, even if it wasn't a complimentary one

Yes. It is different. Charlie's behaviour is a hell of a lot worse. So why are you giving it a pass?

Is there a special rule that white people who identify as trans are allowed to be derogatory about black women? To set them up for harassment?

@Helleofabore

I just read this again. So they is non-binary. But they is crowdfunding for hormones?

Special non binary hormones?

Yes, Purgatory, it does appear that certain white male people are given a special dispensation to behave in appalling ways.

Sprinkle a bit of glitter and you can be somewhat racist whilst being lauded on Twitter. Or homophobic (see Monroe Bergdoff), or misogynist (see 'enjoy your erasure' Shon Faye).

It's almost like there's a sacred caste.

Yes. It is different. Charlie's behaviour is a hell of a lot worse. So why are you giving it a pass?

Any chance of a response to this GoodJanetBadJanet.?

Is there a special rule that white people who identify as trans are allowed to be derogatory about black women? To set them up for harassment?

Must be Potholes and how interesting that their allies can't hide their racism either.

I got a response from Monsoon. Quelle surprise. They couldn't care less for women. Hope they go bust.

"Monsoon is committed to diversity and inclusivity and we want as many people as possible to enjoy our clothes and designs. At the same time, we also want to ensure that all our customers feel relaxed and comfortable when visiting our stores and trying on our outfits.

The majority of our stores are small with limited changing facilities and as such we endeavour to work with all our customers; considering each of their individual requirements, with the aim of accommodating their needs and wishes"

Signed by Zara Gentles, Customer Engagement Manager.

Let's make sure Zara has fewer customers to engage with!

#BoycottMonsoon

@Helleofabore

I just read this again. So they is non-binary. But they is crowdfunding for hormones?

How will they know which hormones to buy once they have enough money to buy them?

It's a mystery.

How will they know which hormones to buy once they have enough money to buy them?

Super special non-binary hormones that identify as neither one thing or the other, or maybe the identification part is in the gift of the buyer but that would surely mean that the super special hormones are not being validated in their specialness, dearie me.

He's just a grifter trying to raise his profile/money. His poor, poor family. What an embarrassment.

A couple of women have parodied the situation on Twitter and there is an amusing number of MRA's who clearly didn't see the original and don't understand what's being parodied saying 'that's so pathetic!!! All this just to get a free dress?!,'.

I’m wondering how they knew that the shop assistant was a woman. I hope they didn’t presume their gender based on their birth sex?

Well, at least one good thing has come out of this, Charlie’s gofundmepage, to raise money for his gender “affirming” fund which had completely stalled for nearly a month because frankly Charlie, no one gave a damn, has been galvanised into new life by the I’m Charlie And I Can’t Queue fracas. Who said publicity doesn’t pay, well done Charlie, are you planning a career in marketing by any chance?

Personally I am holding back on contributing, because I am of the cynical opinion that if Charlie is so unsure of their new gender that they need it “affirming” with hormones then I think there is a chance that in a couple of years Charlie will be back asking for de-affirming hormone money.

It's interesting how often it happens that people who publicise their confrontations with small businesses or individual minimum-wage earning staff at large chains also have stagnant crowdfunders for hormone treatment or surgery.

@SushiShopSearch

He's just a grifter trying to raise his profile/money. His poor, poor family. What an embarrassment.

Yes.

In addition, judging from the pictures, Charlie is not someone who should be criticising anyone else's eyebrows.

So, have we had acknowledgement of the poster who has called out another poster on this thread for supposedly making an observation about the people they know, while seeming to miss the completely disgusting racist and disparaging remark made by the person they are supporting. While poster's can certainly 'fight' for their rights, it does need to be acknowledged that Charlie has made this disgusting comment if you (as a poster) are going to police other's comments in that way.

It does seem that at times, some posters forget the hypocrisy of their very own racist comments while pointing fingers at others as well.

@Helleofabore

So, have we had acknowledgement of the poster who has called out another poster on this thread for supposedly making an observation about the people they know, while seeming to miss the completely disgusting racist and disparaging remark made by the person they are supporting. While poster's can certainly 'fight' for their rights, it does need to be acknowledged that Charlie has made this disgusting comment if you (as a poster) are going to police other's comments in that way.

It does seem that at times, some posters forget the hypocrisy of their very own racist comments while pointing fingers at others as well.

Of course we haven't had acknowledgement Hellofabore, we never do. It seems there is a special select group of people and allies who can be misogynist, ageist, homophobic and racist and never be called to account for it.

Oh no. I've always loved Monsoon, but now it's gone the way of my other mainstay, M&S. I'm going to end up buying all my clothes in charity shops at this rate!

Though actually, that wouldn't be a bad thing. A lot of my favourite clothes are from charity shops already.