A podcast to explain?

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hippityhippityhop Mon 22-Mar-21 12:41:21

I'm very keen to learn more about the trans debate but I struggle to read lots of information with 2 DC running around. Can anyone recommend a podcast or radio show ( basically something I can listen to!) which explains things very simply to a tired yet curious mama? Thank you

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FlyPassed Mon 22-Mar-21 13:06:17

Benjamin Boyce has done a tonne of fascinating long-form interviews with a wide range of people involved in the 'gender wars'. Not sure if he uses other platforms but i watch/listen via YouTube. I highly recommend his Evergreen exposé, too.

DJLippy Mon 22-Mar-21 13:15:47

youtu.be/YctAFEDcoh8

This probably isnt the most serious podcast out there but this takes an entertaining look at the trans debate. Also check out the Lisa Marchiano interview if you want to learn more about detransitioners and the misogony driving so many women to transition.

Also on a more light hearted side is Actual Feminism and their 'adventures in gender land' series (I think thats what its called.) Also available on YouTube

NecessaryScene1 Mon 22-Mar-21 13:29:24

Could you be more specific about particular aspects?

For the "what about women?" take, I love Posie Parker, as she just gets right down to it. No nonsense.

One hour interview with her at Triggernometry

Podcast version

(star Nearly at one million views! star)

That interview's good because it's a couple of (relative) newcomers trying to get their head around it - they were at the "I'm very keen to learn more about the trans debate" stage when it was filmed.

I could come up with deeper stuff about the actual "trans" side - dysphoria, philosophy, sports, but Posie's a great place to get fired up for starters.

InsideNumberNine Mon 22-Mar-21 13:31:47

I'm yet to find one that isn't clearly either side of the debate. I've listened to Triggernometry which was good, some Joe Rogen interviews with Abigail Shrier/Deborah Soh etc.... Wrongthink, Blocked and Reported, I even listened to a bit of the GenderGp podcast but that was....

NecessaryScene1 Mon 22-Mar-21 13:34:24

PP recommended Benjamin Boyce - great suggestion because he's interviewed almost everyone involved in the GC side, from all sorts of angles - feminists, trans people, detransitioners, medics, sports scientists.

But because of his sheer output volume it's hard to know where to start.

I'd start with this interview with Helen Joyce. She's a journalist tackling it as a "general interest" story, and has just finished a book on the subject - out soon.

Podcast version

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog Mon 22-Mar-21 13:34:55

The Unspeakable by Megan Daum - episode 5 "Why are so many kids saying they're trans? And how big a deal is this?" - there are a few other episodes on related matters.

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NecessaryScene1 Mon 22-Mar-21 13:36:01

I'm yet to find one that isn't clearly either side of the debate.

Andrew Sullivan is firmly GC but has been managing to get some interviews with those on the other side recently, but not listened to them yet.

(Actual debates are of course nearly impossible to arrange.)

Sophoclesthefox Mon 22-Mar-21 14:05:49

Gender: a wider lens with Stella O’Malley and Sasha Ayad is great if you like getting into the psychology.

Galvantula Mon 22-Mar-21 14:13:40

I've been enjoying that too Sophocles.

InsideNumberNine Mon 22-Mar-21 14:22:18

NecessaryScene1

*I'm yet to find one that isn't clearly either side of the debate.*

Andrew Sullivan is firmly GC but has been managing to get some interviews with those on the other side recently, but not listened to them yet.

(Actual debates are of course nearly impossible to arrange.)


That's interesting - I'll take a look into that. And yes, intelligent debate doesn't seem possible right now unfortunately...

HermitsLife Mon 22-Mar-21 14:55:47

I'm just listening to the ROGD episode of Gender a Wider Lens. Its a really interesting series, very sympathetic but some really interesting points being made.

Awning10 Mon 22-Mar-21 17:02:45

Graham Linehan does a weekly YouTube video:
www.youtube.com/c/GrahamLinehan/videos

Arty Morty is one of his regulars:
www.youtube.com/c/ArtyMorty/videos

Jennifer Bilek:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQ_o0G7D38&ab_channel=WhoseBodyIsIt

A Woman's Place:
www.youtube.com/channel/UCzFqsUqDzyXEQMJVy42NwUw/videos

Galvantula Mon 22-Mar-21 17:06:41

HermitsLife

I'm just listening to the ROGD episode of Gender a Wider Lens. Its a really interesting series, very sympathetic but some really interesting points being made.

The one about queer theory was interesting and also the one about politicisation of gender.

I also liked the interview with the endocrinologist.

Wetcappuccino Mon 22-Mar-21 17:11:35

Blocked and Reported

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud Mon 22-Mar-21 17:19:14

I'd recommend getting Abigail Shrier's irreversible damage as an audiobook too

Hibari Mon 22-Mar-21 17:27:32

There is no "trans debate." It's not a debate.

Like... one one hand: There are a bunch of reactionaries who have become devested from reality, who are either using past trauma to excuse ignorance and fear mongering or simply concern trolling...and then the bad actors who've found a group of people they think it's okay to abuse, all the while hiding in the algorithm bubble and further radicalising themselves with some going full QAnon with it and driving their non-initiated friends and family away.

On another hard there are conservative christian groups fighting the maintain the purity of...well, all their usual schtick.

The on the trans side of things....
Honestly, if you're desperate to listen to something about it. ContraPoints most recent one on JKR does a good job at disseminating things.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us
Someone recommended her in the Peterson thread and I've watched a few of her videos since (don't judge, my covid vaccination killed my weekend).

But ya. There's no more actual debate here than there was when we were asking if gay marriage should be legal.

Awning10 Mon 22-Mar-21 17:36:53

There is also King Critical who discusses Contrapoints:
www.youtube.com/c/KingArPharaz%C3%B4n/videos

Hibari Mon 22-Mar-21 17:41:39

Awning10

There is also King Critical who discusses Contrapoints:
www.youtube.com/c/KingArPharaz%C3%B4n/videos

This guy oozes youtube alt-lite energy.

NecessaryScene1 Mon 22-Mar-21 17:43:10

Yes, I think trans marriage should be legal. Hands up anyone who thinks trans marriage shouldn't be legal?

If that's all you want, there's no issue, is there?

Unfortunately the demands are a little bit more extreme than anything ever demanded for gay rights.

But sure, yes, Contrapoints is probably as good as anything you're going to get on the other side. It's quite hard to come up with coherent arguments for some of the demands, so you tend to get style over substance.

I do recall one real classic-style debate - Meghan Murphy vs Julie Rei Goldstein: "Does trans activism negatively impact women's rights?". Worth checking out.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud Mon 22-Mar-21 17:46:45

For balance:

Jammidodger on why we should use cis: youtu.be/FjCCjLUlj-E

King critical's response:
youtu.be/ZMG3T_euWO4

Awning10 Mon 22-Mar-21 17:47:28

GNC Centric:
www.youtube.com/c/GNCCentric/videos

JellySlice Mon 22-Mar-21 17:47:56

Magdalen Berns
PeachYogurt Genderfree

They are on YouTube, but mostly spoken rather than visual, so can be listened to easily. Usually quite short.

nauticant Mon 22-Mar-21 17:48:43

The on the trans side of things....

Note how Hibari swerves around this stuff:
oursuperstories.com/wall-of-coercion/
medium.com/*@rebeccarc*/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Those are the tip of an iceberg of hatred, threats of rape, and death threats. This sheer volume of this stuff on the trans side is almost unbelievable.

InsideNumberNine Mon 22-Mar-21 17:53:24

I just listened to the Blocked & Deleted podcast on the Keira Bell judgement. Very fair and balanced!

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