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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ahem.... FWR headlines in the Mail

135 replies

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/04/2022 23:52

The Mail have picked up this thread about the wonderful Women Uniting organisation and done an article about us!!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10682139/Mumsnet-readers-rally-campaign-protect-womens-rights.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4518855-Maya-Forstater-on-front-page-of-Daily-Mail

Grin Grin

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BattyOrange · 04/04/2022 00:12

I bloody love Mumsnetters Wink Grin

GretaGip · 04/04/2022 00:16

Wonderful women Thanks

Hapoydayz · 04/04/2022 00:20

The daily mail have run so many stories about how trans rights are running rampant over women's rights. I know many people hate that paper but they are really highlighting the insanity

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/04/2022 00:25

Love that they're giving so much publicity to Women Uniting as well.

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Datun · 04/04/2022 00:26

Yay! I saw maya at one of the gc meetings before covid and she was handing out stickers 'radicalised by mumsnet'.

Waitwhat23 · 04/04/2022 02:12

I always find it funny when they quote a user with a pisstake of a username e.g. -

'Unicornsaresparklyponies described how....'

(Apologies if anyone has this username!)

UnicornsAreSparklyPhonies · 04/04/2022 02:21

@Waitwhat23 apologies - but it had to be done!!

Furries · 04/04/2022 02:51

Blimey! That’s great to see (and to see recognised names on there). Can I pay for a few autographs to help with planting my garden 😂

I know it’s common for people to apologise re quoting DM, but right now I don’t care where the sunlight is coming from. The DM have been fantastic at highlighting various scenarios - and in a way that will make many more people stop and go “erm, did I just read that article right?”

The usual Twitter suspects will hate the traction that DM is garnering at the moment. If only those haters would stop and think logically for a nanosecond. I’d bet my house on the fact that no one in here is transphobic. Standing up for women’s rights is not a hate crime and it’s not transphobic.

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/04/2022 03:31

The comments! Grin

carefullycourageous · 04/04/2022 04:02

The DM is so hypocritical, they are bloody awful about and to women until it suits them, then they pretend to care.

Furries · 04/04/2022 04:17

@carefullycourageous

The DM is so hypocritical, they are bloody awful about and to women until it suits them, then they pretend to care.
Do you disagree with the sentiment of their reporting around this issue? Are you willing to cut off your nose to spite your face re this? I’m not thrilled that it’s the DM that is highlighting this - but they’re doing a bloody good job as far as I’m concerned.
WTF475878237NC · 04/04/2022 04:18

The DM is so hypocritical, they are bloody awful about and to women until it suits them, then they pretend to care.

^ This is true. I'm glad it's being reported though.

carefullycourageous · 04/04/2022 04:21

@Furries

IMO the DM is a negative, for women and society. We'd all be better off without the existence of the Daily Mail.

Furries · 04/04/2022 04:30

[quote carefullycourageous]@Furries

IMO the DM is a negative, for women and society. We'd all be better off without the existence of the Daily Mail.[/quote]
Ok, hear you loud and clear!

DreamTheMoors · 04/04/2022 04:45

To anyone defending the shitty Daily Mail:

Get back to me when you can justify DM’s abhorrent treatment of — and subsequent court loss to — The Duchess of Sussex.

Or does it only matter with people you like?

The Daily Mail is only interested in selling papers, or lately, in online hits. They’re vipers, snakes. The lowest of the low - they slither from one wretched story to the next.

One positive item is not enough for their salvation, no matter how valuable the subject.

Bird cage material. Print that you bastards.

Crcohetmonster · 04/04/2022 05:30

@carefullycourageous

The DM is so hypocritical, they are bloody awful about and to women until it suits them, then they pretend to care.
Name a news outlet, tv station or radio station that is not awful about and to women . There are none.
borntobequiet · 04/04/2022 05:53

Politicians know that Mumsnet has clout, with millions of users. This is something that might worry them in the run up to local elections.

ResisterRex · 04/04/2022 06:02

@carefullycourageous

The DM is so hypocritical, they are bloody awful about and to women until it suits them, then they pretend to care.
It's like FWR bingo
NonnyMouse1337 · 04/04/2022 07:08

Does this mean I have to comb my hair and put on a clean pair of pants with all the new visitors we'll be having? Grin

ScreamingMeMe · 04/04/2022 07:14

Fame at last! Love the quotes.

Needmoresleep · 04/04/2022 07:18

Good this is in the Mail

Bad that it is not in the Guardian

It shakes the Guardian is good, Mail is bad, left wing polarised political narrative.

Maybe, just maybe, people to the left of centre get some things wrong, and people to the right of centre get some things right. Or even that some issues do not split down the political binary. Women’s rights for example. Heaven forbid that women might find that they share views on issues affecting women. And welcome the fact that they are gaining MSM support. Even if the Mail.

That said there is an issue in that plenty of people in influential roles read the Guardian. And are either not aware of the strength of feeling, or assume that if the Mail and Guardian take very different lines on an issue, this means that the Mail’s approach must be wrong.

Which sets us up for more Labour handwringing at the next election. Mail readers vote. They understand this issue and support the Mail’s approach. If the Guardian and it’s readers, including members of the Labour Party hierarchy, can’t see this, Mail readers, and others, will feel they can’t trust Labour to protect their interests or indeed to run the country.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 04/04/2022 07:20

It's like FWR bingo

I'd like to know what these media strategists recommend when preference falsification means that so many people aren't aware of what's happening because MSM doesn't cover it or covers it with anti-woman rhetoric or 'both sides' at best.

A quick wave of apology to anyone who has read my concerns about preference falsification on previous occasions.

Preference falsification, according to the economist Timur Kuran, is the act of misrepresenting one’s wants under perceived social pressures. It happens frequently in everyday life, such as when we tell the host of a dinner party that we are enjoying the food when we actually find it bland. In Private Truths, Public Lies , Kuran argues convincingly that the phenomenon not only is ubiquitous but has huge social and political consequences. Drawing on diverse intellectual traditions, including those rooted in economics, psychology, sociology, and political science, Kuran provides a unified theory of how preference falsification shapes collective decisions, orients structural change, sustains social stability, distorts human knowledge, and conceals political possibilities.

A common effect of preference falsification is the preservation of widely disliked structures. Another is the conferment of an aura of stability on structures vulnerable to sudden collapse. When the support of a policy, tradition, or regime is largely contrived, a minor event may activate a bandwagon that generates massive yet unanticipated change.

In distorting public opinion, preference falsification also corrupts public discourse and, hence, human knowledge. So structures held in place by preference falsification may, if the condition lasts long enough, achieve increasingly genuine acceptance. The book demonstrates how human knowledge and social structures co-evolve in complex and imperfectly predictable ways, without any guarantee of social efficiency.

www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674707580

80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/cass-sunstein-how-change-happens/

There are few mainstream outlets that will cover relevant stories. When MSM does run an item, it has a perspective that is not gender critical: IPSO also restricts the items that can be reported and how they can be reported.

Look how often MSM slots are cancelled because Stonewall or individuals refuse to appear on a programme with a GC woman or advocate. A case in point is the recent cancellation of the GOSH event. We're all familiar with the dis-invitations of women from conferences, workshops, journal positions etc.

The de-platforming of women and the gender critical perspective from social media facilitates preference falsification as it is only too easy never to see these perspectives and stories. MN is one of the few platforms to host our discussions; even so it's in a naughty corner with additional rules and restrictions. It's common for breakout threads in Chat or AIBU to end up here because so many people don't want it in the general or high-traffic areas.

Lifton outlines the Eight Criteria for Thought Reform and 2 feel relevant to some of the discussion about the appropriateness of media outlets:

Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

DomesticatedZombie · 04/04/2022 07:22

@DreamTheMoors

To anyone defending the shitty Daily Mail:

Get back to me when you can justify DM’s abhorrent treatment of — and subsequent court loss to — The Duchess of Sussex.

Or does it only matter with people you like?

The Daily Mail is only interested in selling papers, or lately, in online hits. They’re vipers, snakes. The lowest of the low - they slither from one wretched story to the next.

One positive item is not enough for their salvation, no matter how valuable the subject.

Bird cage material. Print that you bastards.

Er, who is the duchess of Sussex?
EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 04/04/2022 07:25

Grin I woke up to a text about this from Datun. To non-MNers the names must look bonkers.

DomesticatedZombie · 04/04/2022 07:26

@NonnyMouse1337

Does this mean I have to comb my hair and put on a clean pair of pants with all the new visitors we'll be having? Grin
I'm in my fucking pyjamas Nonny! And there are no biscuits.
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