To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

[TeaKlaxon]

Lucy Allen has tweeted that the Barbican has mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, but no womens bathrooms.

Lots of twitter users told her that was wrong.

The Barbican itself told her it's wrong.

But the tweet remains. AIBU to think that if an MP gets something wrong, they should apologise and remove the lie? Or to think that this is deliberate misinformation to further the myth of women being 'erased'?

twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1507076111871713282?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw

I would go for the toilets which have the shortest queue, regardless of whether that’s the ladies or gender neutral.

@MyLittlePhonyPony

Just to clarify, are you saying you think that:

Humans can't tell the sex of other humans without looking at their penis

?
Quite the claim.

If you're going to ask a question, you should perhaps tag the poster you're asking.

I assume this was directed at me. In which case my post was a response to someone saying no penises in the women's bathrooms. So my simple question was who is going to check whether someone has a penis or not.

If you think making 'not having a penis' a test for entering a womens bathroom is a batshit crazy idea, then welcome to the dark side because I agree.

@StarlightLady

I would go for the toilets which have the shortest queue, regardless of whether that’s the ladies or gender neutral.

How about if you had your young daughter with you?

(b) opting out of arts and culture to throw a strop

I don't think not attending a venue that can't meet your needs is throwing a strop, personally.

If there was one disabled toilet and 500 disabled seats for a show, you'd expect disabled people to be rightly upset that their needs weren't accommodated for, and therefore would expect them to avoid that venue until they were accommodated for.

You say the same about women and suddenly they're throwing a strop.

In reality men know they're men, women know they're women. We know which loo to select.

Choosing the wrong loo is like Will Thomas going into a women's race and 'Karen' White in a women's prison - wrong!

We shouldn't need loo police, we should have a culture or respect where people use the facilities that match their sex.

They (the sensible and sane person) does not typically go to complain to their MP (or indeed, an MP 150 miles away from the establishment).

What a weird barrow you are now pushing!

So the woman complaining is a

liar
crank
not sane
not sensible
as well as all the ableist crap you threw out at her yesterday.

However, you miss something vital.

If the woman is going to complain to an MP, the only one she can complain to is her own. And it doesn't matter how far away it is to the source of her complaint.

Many MPs use their position to assist their constituents in issues that may have an impact on the general public as this issue does. You also do not know whether that was a complaint specifically about the Barbican or giving it as one example in addition to others.

This woman did what we all have the freedom to do. She used her voice to discuss an issue that concerned her with her MP. We don't have the details apart from that tweet. That is all.

It is YOU who have devolved into denigrating two woman, who are abusing those two woman in this thread with your descriptions and yet, you actually think that you are in the right here.

All you are doing is contributing in the overall attempt from activists to silence those who disagree. Your continued twisting this to what toilets are provided and not actually addressing the issues brought up in the tweet are clear evidence of that.

Just to sure, the tweet was this one:

I received this message today: “I was at the Barbican yesterday where there were male toilets, disabled toilets, and gender neutral toilets. I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral I am a woman and they laughed in my face. Women are being erased.”

I love gender ideology logic. It's hilarious to witness. Once gender ideologists are out of their bubble and come up against the real world it all comes crashing down eg the Labour party and "what is a woman" disaster right now.

So we have:

TRA: "Transwomen have been using the ladies loos since forever and no one has bat an eyelid because no one can tell.
("You can never tell"- myth number 5. Makes you wonder why the need for gender neutral spaces then rather).

TRA: dyke lesbians are always getting chucked out of the women's loos by women policing who uses the loos.
(So, no one can identify an actual man but a woman in masculine clothes is thought to be a man).

And.... Gender neutral loos are safe for all, but men are so unsafe it is too dangerous for a man who identifies as a woman to use the men's space, they'd be instantly attacked. Men in the gender neutral space magically lose all their danger.

It all makes PERFECT SENSE.

That is a claim. A claim by Lucy Allen, who has a history of making things up.

And we have a poster on this very thread that says they were given similar treatment.

And the fact is, yes, that a woman has made the 'claim'.

And you continue your abuse of these two women again and again on this thread.

I find the OP's attitude to women horrible. Hysteria. Crank. Idiot. A woman dares step out of line and this is the punishment they get. I hope the boys are being really nice to you for throwing the rest of us under the bus. What is it that made you hate women so much OP?

@Linguini it's the TRA circle of life. When they get to the point where they see that women are forced in the position of being shields/victims for men they cycle back to the start. They never address the impact - the damage - to girls and women. It's almost as if it's obviously all about men.

@TeaKlaxon

I think we're at cross purposes there.

I don't think genital inspections are necessary. People are able to tell the difference between men and women easily despite the trappings they wear. Height, skeleton, muscle, hand span are all markers we are evolutionary designed to assess to tell the sex of an individual.

He'll, even the way some people talk to others on social media is a dead giveaway for their sex.

My question was, do you think men and women can't tell the difference between the sexes without looking at a penis (or lack of).

Let me make this clear, do you, the op, believe that it is impossible to tell the difference between grown men and women without resorting to genital inspections?

@girlmom21

(b) opting out of arts and culture to throw a strop

I don't think not attending a venue that can't meet your needs is throwing a strop, personally.

If there was one disabled toilet and 500 disabled seats for a show, you'd expect disabled people to be rightly upset that their needs weren't accommodated for, and therefore would expect them to avoid that venue until they were accommodated for.

You say the same about women and suddenly they're throwing a strop.

Yet again for those in the cheap seats.

The Barbican has womens toilets. Five of them. One on every single floor and two on the first floor.

A venue that 'can't meet your needs' indeed.

Look, no skin off my nose if gender crits isolate themselves from ever increasing realms of public life. But it is absolutely crank behvaiour.

And pretty insulting to compare that situation with disabled people.

Let me make this clear, do you, the op, believe that it is impossible to tell the difference between grown men and women without resorting to genital inspections?

I'd like to know too 😂

@TeaKlaxon you're still choosing to completely ignore the fact this woman was laughed at when she asked where they were.

She was not shown or told where the toilets were, therefore the venue did not cater to her needs.

I'm not comparing her to a disabled person - I'm making a very clear point that accessibility is important and if a venue doesn't cater to your needs then choosing not to attend said venue does not equate to 'throwing a strop'.

@Franca123

I find the OP's attitude to women horrible. Hysteria. Crank. Idiot. A woman dares step out of line and this is the punishment they get. I hope the boys are being really nice to you for throwing the rest of us under the bus. What is it that made you hate women so much OP?

I don't hate other women.

I do dislike people who lie, like Lucy Allen.

I do dislike people who propogate misinformation.

I do dislike people who call me a gender traitor, a handmaiden or whatever other insults they deem fit and then clutch their pearls when I point out the history of lies and crankery on their side.

And I do dislike people who think allying with right wing ideologues to address what is essentially a non-issue, while women are struggling with real problems like inequality and cost of living caused by the very same ideologues they are cosying up to is feminism in any sense of the word.

Hate? Nah. If anything I pity the world view of anyone who is so pathetic that they would decide not to go to an arts venue because they have one gender neutral toilet as compared to five womens toilets.

[quote girlmom21]@TeaKlaxon you're still choosing to completely ignore the fact this woman was laughed at when she asked where they were.

She was not shown or told where the toilets were, therefore the venue did not cater to her needs.

I'm not comparing her to a disabled person - I'm making a very clear point that accessibility is important and if a venue doesn't cater to your needs then choosing not to attend said venue does not equate to 'throwing a strop'. [/quote]
Stop saying it is a fact that she was laughed at.

A claim is not a fact.

Especially a claim from an MP who is a proven liar.

I do dislike people who propogate misinformation.

Like your OP where you said Lucy Allen made the claim no women's toilet existed at the Barbican when she did no such thing - which you still refuse to acknowledge - and instead keep saying she's been known to lie but deny you're saying the woman in question doesn't exist

Lucy Allen reported what she saw.

Was it right she was laughed at?

while women are struggling with real problems like inequality

Like not having the same toilet access as men?!?! That's the whole issue. Women's safety and comfort has been compromised here and you think it's no issue, but it's the whole point, which you claim to care about too...

@Enough4me

Lucy Allen reported what she saw.

Was it right she was laughed at?

Umm, no she didn't.

Lucy Allen (even in his own world of misinformation) doesn't claim she saw anything.

@girlmom21

while women are struggling with real problems like inequality

Like not having the same toilet access as men?!?! That's the whole issue. Women's safety and comfort has been compromised here and you think it's no issue, but it's the whole point, which you claim to care about too...

No.

Like actual problems. Like not being able to put food on the table. Like being far more likely than men to be in precarious employment. To lack the protection of a union. To be dependent on food banks.

Actual problems like being far more likely to be the ones that have to choose whether they buy a meal or put more credit in the electricity meter. Or to have to work out if they can afford to get the bus home from work or have to walk an hour in the dark.

Honest to god the sheer entitlement of the 'OMG can you believe that someone has to go up or down half a flight of stairs to get to a womens bathroom' when you you consider the actual inequality that exists.

Inequality, by the way, that has been championed and voted for by Lucy Allen and her cronies. But sure, keep cosying up to her and other right wing ideologues. They sure have a track record of delivering for women!

The lack of protection from a union isn't more important than the lack of protection from men when you're in a vulnerable position like using the toilet. I'm sorry that you think it is.

We don't have to compromise on where we should have equality.
Economics doesn't trump safety.

@StarlightLady

I would go for the toilets which have the shortest queue, regardless of whether that’s the ladies or gender neutral.

That is not a conscious choice to use a gender neutral toilet though as a preference

Oh.... Pearl clutches, idiots, liars, hysterical, cranks, right wing, pathetic...

It really is never ending isn't it?

Then women also get shamed for advocating for their rights to have single sex spaces that excludes all males (over the age of 8) and told that we don't seem to be interested in women struggling with real problems like inequality and cost of living.

I mean, there is a sense of ridiculousness that OP calls our attention to women suffering with inequality on a thread, started by them, to start abusing two women attempting to point out the inequality of toilet provision, where a woman was laughed at for asking for a female single sex toilet.

But hey ho! This tactic is the 'women you have to focus on what we say' activist tactic.

It seems to defy those who use it that they are speaking to women who are very much involved in those very issues too... and you know, women are very capable of multi-tasking! Plus that women also have the autonomy to make the decisions on what to prioritise for themselves.

It also defies the very fact that there are posters on this thread actually 'living' or have 'lived' those very real problems, so do happen to know quite a bit about them.

This is what happens when a poster is so deeply entrenched in believing their views are the only right views that you can simply continue to demonise and monster others who don't agree.

As in reported what she saw, through a tweet. This was based on a woman's experience. She had the freedom to see this and report on it. As a woman I want to know that staff at venues laugh at women looking for women's loos as this tells me their view on womens safety and dignity.

Do you think the staff were wrong to laugh?