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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cis-gender queer woman

123 replies

EmmaGrundyForPM · 23/03/2022 05:07

A colleague described herself recently as being a cis-gender queer woman. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't that the same as being a lesbian? So why not call herself a lesbian? Presumably there's a reason but can't work out what.

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Nnique · 23/03/2022 14:43

It’s not bitchy to discuss stupidity. It’s stupid to create yet more nonsensical terms and boxes for things that are just women and men having a) a sexuality and b) a personality.

Nnique · 23/03/2022 14:47

I also don’t have to be kind to every person everywhere in order to be a good feminist. I don’t collect feminist gold stars from people who can’t define what a woman is.

sourdoughismyreligion · 23/03/2022 14:50

@EmmaGrundyForPM

A colleague described herself recently as being a cis-gender queer woman. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't that the same as being a lesbian? So why not call herself a lesbian? Presumably there's a reason but can't work out what.
Not necessarily the same as being a lesbian, heterosexual people sometimes call themselves queer because they're in to kink.
Nnique · 23/03/2022 14:53

If they’re into kink they need to keep that out of their workplace. Why the hell do their colleagues need to know that?? Answer: they don’t.

AKASammyScrounge · 23/03/2022 15:18

@BellaMachine

Lots of us are lesbians, it’s not special enough as a label anymore, it definitely won’t stand out in your instagram bio. That’s why we now have over 300 genders and there’s probably just as many sexual orientations by now.
I thought it was ludicrous enough when I was told there were 100 genders, but 300...
AtrociousCircumstance · 23/03/2022 15:26

Narcissistic bullshit.

lovelyluvvy · 23/03/2022 15:37

Why has she stood up and told everybody then? There's loads of stuff about me that I don't think is anybody else's business, so I don't go around shouting about them and making them other peoples business
I agree with this, and this is why I resent the pressure to add pronouns, which amounts to telling everyone you work with your 'gender identity'. For me, that's pretty personal. In gender ideology terminology, I suppose I'd be classed as 'librafeminine' - a new term I learned the other day, which means non-binary gender but leaning slightly towards the feminine. I mean, even I'm bored typing that out, so why should people I work with need to know? How would it change anything in a professional environment?

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 15:56

"Not necessarily the same as being a lesbian, heterosexual people sometimes call themselves queer because they're in to kink."
And I give a shiny shit about a colleague's kink , why exactly?

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 16:00

I asked my boss if I could put which football team I support and what religion I was born into in my email signature. He said "No, and I am certainly not asking you to put your sodding pronouns in either"

CheekyMaw · 23/03/2022 16:40

The four young women I know who call themselves that are either married or in LTRs with men. And have only ever been in LTRs with men. Attention seeking nonsense.

Enough4me · 23/03/2022 16:47

Definitely attention seeking. A few decades ago people called themselves 'mad' or 'crazy' when they wanted to appear fun. Then last decade it was 'awesome', now it's 'queer'. I'm betting it will evolve to 'kinky mad' or similar odd word.

lovelyluvvy · 23/03/2022 16:51

A few decades ago people called themselves 'mad' or 'crazy' when they wanted to appear fun.
That's exactly what I was thinking "I'm a bit mad, me!" said by a completely average person with a completely average life.

Joolsin · 23/03/2022 16:55

So boring. She's probably just got a couple of piercings and snogged her best friend once when she was drunk.

TheWeeDonkey · 23/03/2022 16:57

@BellaMachine

I wouldn’t ask - what if she is ‘spicy straight’ (Confused) and starts telling you about it…
DO NOT ASK!!!!

I made that same mistake and nobody needs to know that much detail about their colleagues sex life 🤢

Fancyfancyfancy · 23/03/2022 17:02

@AKASammyScrounge there are 308 gender.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Gender_Identities

SamphiretheStickerist · 23/03/2022 17:08

The thing with labels us that they are supposed to clarify information.

These days though they are paraded when not necessary* and usually obscure facts.

*I am guessing she made that statement as part if bringing her whole self to work. FFS.

Natfemale · 23/03/2022 17:10

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FrancescaContini · 23/03/2022 18:35

[quote Fancyfancyfancy]@AKASammyScrounge there are 308 gender.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Gender_Identities[/quote]
Got to be a piss-take. Some teenager has spent a small fortune on shiny new felt tips at WH Smith and spent the afternoon making colourful creations and inventing nonsense.

FrancescaContini · 23/03/2022 18:38

The comments are priceless, especially “I’m confused about my gender identity” Hmm

I’m not surprised you’re confused. It’s BULLSHIT.

Deliriumoftheendless · 23/03/2022 18:57

Years ago I knew a lad who’s mum was French. He made a big thing of being dual nationality and having a French mum when no one cared one way or another. He was always at pains to point out how different he was to the rest of us with our boring parents.

Another lad said of him “deep down, I think he’s just really, really normal.”

That springs to mind a lot these days.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 23/03/2022 19:03

I'm feeling a bit queer used to mean I think I'm about to vom. Back when, in addition, queer was an insulting term for male homosexual.

What is the point of her saying this if people then have to ask her what she actually means?

Fancyfancyfancy · 23/03/2022 19:06

@FrancescaContini you can think it’s a pisstake but you still have to respect my right to be surprise gender gender.fandom.com/wiki/Surprisegender I always knew I had a natural affinity to kinder eggs and now I feel accepted.

lovelyluvvy · 23/03/2022 19:41

I'm not a huge fan of Ben Shapiro, but his reactions to Woke TikToks with a lot of self-important people banging on about gender woo are quite entertaining:

lovelyluvvy · 23/03/2022 21:48

I feel a bit sad for these women actually, because I wonder if they've had their boundaries tested and are calling themselves 'queer' to convince themselves they're OK with it. I had a relationship with a cross-dresser when I was younger, and there were a lot of things that made me feel uncomfortable about it, but I told myself I was soooo cool with it, thought it made me a bit special and of course the alternative is to be a prude/frigid/unsupportive etc. I'm sure at least some of the time that's what's going on with women calling themselves 'queer', a response to and reclaiming of trauma.

cekema · 23/03/2022 22:23

DaisyWaldron :

I know one woman whose former wife is now her husband. I know another whose former husband is now her wife. I know several who have been attracted to, and had relationships with both men and women in the past, but who have chosen only to pursue relationships with women, or who are married to women. I know others who have only ever been attracted to women. I know some who have only ever been attracted to women with one exception ...

Aargh! No, please, enough! ...

... I know some women who don't care about the label, but care about the body, and can be attracted to trans men, and non binary people as long they have a vulva rather than a penis, but wouldn't fancy a trans woman in a million years. I know other women who could be attracted to a trans woman with breasts and a smooth face, but wouldn't feel the tiniest bit of desire for a trans man. I know a trans woman whose relationships have all been with other trans women.

I know lots of women, and men too, who think this a right load of old cobblers. When are you people going to get over yourselves?

OK, I know, I can just ignore this. Why would anyone bother, you may well ask. Thing is, I came here because I am interested for my children. And, yes, this shit is leaching into schools, as we all know. Stop, please. Read what you have written here. Go shag who you like, however you like, whenever you like. Paint your head blue and tattoo your arse with a chicken wing. No-one cares. Really, no-one cares. But leave off with all the trans crap and stop telling kids lies. It really is just fucking nonsense. Look at it.

A woman whose former wife is now her husband. Give me a break.

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