Scotland GRA

[Cismyfatarse]

Can I ask people to fill this in? Scotland is probably going to vote against the needs of women and girls. We will then need to raise money for the court battles.

https://yourviews.parliament.scot/ehrcj/gender-recognition-reform-bill/?utmsource=twitter&utmmmedium=spehrcj&utmmterm=&utmcontent=38d44a5a-ba1c-4271-b2ce-b222beca97b8&utmm_campaign=ongoing

@Rainbowshit

Of course it's going to impact on others. You're opening up a legal sex change to 16-18 year olds. School children. Who need no medical diagnosis and only 3 months of "proof" of living as the opposite sex. Cost also not a barrier. I mean we all know what teenage boys can be like. I can see it being a dare.

Schools are having a hard enough time at the moment keeping girls safety, privacy and dignity. At least they could say legally they hadn't changed sex. They will now be dealing with a cohort who have legally changed sex. It will likely have implications for girls in changing rooms, toilets and overnight accommodation on trips.

In fact if I was a teacher hell would freeze over before I got involved in any overnight trips because of this.

sorry, but I have to laugh. Teachers have been prying boys out of girl dorms and vice versa since the dawn of time. As if they needed a GRA for that.

And yes to privacy and dignity. Facilities in schools are often a disgrace. Cubicles are the answer.

GRA reform adds nothing to your hypothetical scenario that a young man who was so inclined couldn't do today. Seriously. Nothing.

I mean - my mum was a teacher. She once broke a toe on her last security round on a residential trip and had to explain to her insurance why this was a work accident so close to midnight when she's a teacher.

My husband used to accompany church cycle tours. Ah, the stories...

sorry, but I have to laugh. Teachers have been prying boys out of girl dorms and vice versa since the dawn of time. As if they needed a GRA for that.

And I had to laugh at this. Can you really .... not see the difference?!!!! I mean FFS. 🤔

I thought you were just gaslighting us, but after that ridiculous post I've changed my mind. You can't think through the logic at all.

@Rainbowshit

sorry, but I have to laugh. Teachers have been prying boys out of girl dorms and vice versa since the dawn of time. As if they needed a GRA for that.

And I had to laugh at this. Can you really .... not see the difference?!!!! I mean FFS. 🤔

what is the difference, please? Explain it to me and detail at each step how the GRA reform will enable that difference and make a substantial change.

A hospital in which abuse happens is not a safe hospital, independently of the perpetrator's passport or birth certificate.

A woman was raped on a single sex ward and the hospital denied it happened because there were 'no males present'. They were lying. To the person raped and also to the Police. They were able to do that because of an ideology which insists that TWA(literally)W and which influenced Trust policies to lie.

It's another example of the silencing affect. Women can no longer raise concerns about safety issues or they are branded a transphobe. They cannot raise instances of actual abuse or be called a liar.

In your example they were legally boys. No right to be there. Now they could have a piece of paper that says they are legally girls. It'll allow them to demand to be there. There's.a very clear change there. Why are you not able to see that?

GRA reform changes nothing for the non-trans population. It makes lives a bit easier for trans individuals and that is a good thing.

Can you explain how it makes life easier for trans people @CatherinaJTV?

Yes precisely rainbowshit. In the former example, the boys are not supposed to be there and are removed. Now, they get to stay, indeed - are not even challenged in the first place.

It's almost as though boys who want unfettered access to the girls dorm has something to gain by this legislation...

A woman was raped on a single sex ward and the hospital denied it happened because there were 'no males present'. They were lying. To the person raped and also to the Police.

This is because the GRA prohibits disclosure of information about whether someone has a GRC if another person has been made aware of that fact in the course of their work. The medical staff would have been breaking the law if they had been made aware that that person had a GRC and they disclosed that information to anyone else.

Although there is an exemption to this clause which can be used for the investigation or prevention of crime. So once the woman had reported the rape the lies should have stopped.

I think any law which requires people to lie is a bad one. Section 22 should be repealed (or better still, the whole GRA should be repealed).

This seems to be to be an issue affecting trans people only. Is it reasonable for a cis person to be encouraging cis people to vote on it?

We should all use what privilege we have to amplify the voices of those less fortunate than ourselves; in this case, trans people who want to get married and die in dignity.

Elaine can you read? How about reading this thread and apply some critical thinking?

And fuck off with cis

@ElaineFuchs

This seems to be to be an issue affecting trans people only. Is it reasonable for a cis person to be encouraging cis people to vote on it?

We should all use what privilege we have to amplify the voices of those less fortunate than ourselves; in this case, trans people who want to get married and die in dignity.

Trans people can already get married. We have had same sex marriage since 2014. And what do you mean by 'die in dignity'? What does this have to do with a GRC?

@ElaineFuchs

This seems to be to be an issue affecting trans people only. Is it reasonable for a cis person to be encouraging cis people to vote on it?

We should all use what privilege we have to amplify the voices of those less fortunate than ourselves; in this case, trans people who want to get married and die in dignity.

I mean there have been clear examples given of situations where cis people will be affected. Telling people this is just a trans issue is not working anymore.

Schrödingers's GRA reforms - on the one hand something so urgent and important that it's one of the biggest political concerns in Scotland and must be implemented asap due to the "unacceptable horror" of the current situation for those claiming a special identity or it's merely some administrative changes that affect women and girls so it doesn't count no one adversely.

Yes, it's urgent for trans people, but doesn't affect anyone else.

It basically makes sure that one is the correct gender on the registry of marriages, and on ones death certificate.

Equal access to spaces is legislated by the Equality Act, which isn't affected by GRA reforms.

@Rainbowshit

"I mean there have been clear examples given of situations where cis people will be affected. "

Interested in hearing about these...

@OldCrone

"Trans people can already get married."

Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant: get married in dignity and die in dignity. Where dignity means "as the correct gender"

@Quitso

And fuck off with cis

It's a bit long to write out "people other than trans people" or "people who aren't trans" every time.

Saying "I'm not cis, I'm normal" has real "I'm not heterosexual, I'm normal" energy. Can you see how these are transphobic and homophobic?

@terryleather

Schrödingers's GRA reforms - on the one hand something so urgent and important that it's one of the biggest political concerns in Scotland and must be implemented asap due to the "unacceptable horror" of the current situation for those claiming a special identity or it's merely some administrative changes that affect women and girls so it doesn't count no one adversely.

Quite.

@OldCrone

A woman was raped on a single sex ward and the hospital denied it happened because there were 'no males present'. They were lying. To the person raped and also to the Police.

This is because the GRA prohibits disclosure of information about whether someone has a GRC if another person has been made aware of that fact in the course of their work. The medical staff would have been breaking the law if they had been made aware that that person had a GRC and they disclosed that information to anyone else.

Although there is an exemption to this clause which can be used for the investigation or prevention of crime. So once the woman had reported the rape the lies should have stopped.

I think any law which requires people to lie is a bad one. Section 22 should be repealed (or better still, the whole GRA should be repealed).

Yes. There is space for making this argument in the consultation, and I will be doing so.

I think we need a new campaign. The GRA undermines existing Equality Act protections and urgently needs to be repealed. Women and young people are suffering because of it, right now. Women have been raped and sexually assaulted directly because of the GRA. Children have been harmed.

No need for the nonsensical, made up word cis, which is a slur. If you're referring to women, the word women will do, as they aren't a subset of their own sex class.

Given the appalling homophobia which is one of the main tenets of gender ideology, the argument you've given above is risible.

And I don't usually report posts, but if you continue to use the slur cis, despite posters asking you not to, I will start reporting every one of your posts in which you use it.

@ElaineFuchs

Yes, it's urgent for trans people, but doesn't affect anyone else.

It basically makes sure that one is the correct gender on the registry of marriages, and on ones death certificate.

Equal access to spaces is legislated by the Equality Act, which isn't affected by GRA reforms.

@Rainbowshit

"I mean there have been clear examples given of situations where cis people will be affected. "

Interested in hearing about these...

@OldCrone

"Trans people can already get married."

Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant: get married in dignity and die in dignity. Where dignity means "as the correct gender"

We've already established that is doesn't just affect trans people.

I have no intention of repeating the example I have below on school trips. If you really were interested then you could just read my posts below. I suspect you have no interest though. You'll just continue to plop onto threads and say it's only trans people are affected, like you think you have some kind of Jedi mind power and well all repeat the mantra.

@Waitwhat23

No need for the nonsensical, made up word cis, which is a slur. If you're referring to women, the word women will do, as they aren't a subset of their own sex class.

Given the appalling homophobia which is one of the main tenets of gender ideology, the argument you've given above is risible.

And I don't usually report posts, but if you continue to use the slur cis, despite posters asking you not to, I will start reporting every one of your posts in which you use it.

If you wouldn't mind, just to help me understand. What, precisely, do you mean by "sex class"?

@Rainbowshit

This governmental report seems to suggest that trans kids are protected from discrimination in schools by the 2010 Equality Act, not by virtue of having a gender recognition certificate: researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9078/CBP-9078.pdf