Great Ormond St conference deplatforms Helen Joyce & Stephanie Davies-Arai

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/19/great-ormond-street-cancels-trainee-doctor-conference-trans/

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Great Ormond Street cancels trainee doctor conference over trans ‘safety’ complaints

Zoom conference descended into chaos as trans activists refused to appear alongside gender-critical speakers

Great Ormond Street Hospital has been forced to cancel a top trainee doctors conference after trans activists protested that speakers would make Zoom attendees feel “unsafe”, The Telegraph can disclose.

All trainee child psychiatrist finalists from across London were due to attend the day-long video conference on March 16 on how they can support gender-questioning young people.

High-profile speakers from across the trans debate were invited by a group of trainees at the hospital to speak on panels, including major trans charities, academics and gender-critical groups.

I’ve no idea why when mermaids et al start throwing their toys around & refusing to appear, that conference organisers don’t just shrug and say “fair enough, your call” and carry on without them

Why do these petulant pillocks get to dictate everything?

Pathetic.

At some point, the penny will drop that taking themselves out of the conversation isn't a winning longterm strategy.

We thought no debate was getting used less often.

Firstly Helen Joyce was uninvited five days before the conference. Then Susie Green declared Mermaid would never appear at an event with Transgender Trend.

The event was supposed to be 16th March but the organisers had to cancel it completely.

This is remarkable. Simply remarkable.

NHS officials pulled the plug the day before after some internal activists even resorted to using health service whistleblowing procedures to protest about the event, in what has been branded an “outrageous” silencing campaign.

I remember Helen Joyce saying something was happening and she too was deplatformed when Julie Bindel announced she had been deplatformed again this week.

The saga has sparked fury from campaigners and the cancelled speakers, just days after the landmark Cass Review published its interim report into NHS gender services which found a “fundamentally different service model is needed”

Ms Joyce, whose book was critical of the notion that men and women are merely self-identified genders and not biological, said: “It's outrageous that a journalist who has written a best-selling book spelling out the harms of this bizarre, evidence-free ideology is no-platformed and subjected to a smear campaign.

^“Children are being harmed by gender clinics, and yet when I try to blow the whistle to the child psychiatrists of the future, I'm slandered, insulted and silenced.”
Ms Davies-Arai said it “should concern everyone that the NHS has allowed unsubstantiated claims of ‘transphobia’ to influence their decisions”. She said that given the Cass report, “it is unconscionable of the NHS to continue to silence the voices of those who have always urged caution”.^

A spokesman for Great Ormond Street Hospital distanced itself from the event, saying it provided “basic administrative support”, but added: “This is an important and highly complex field, but we can confirm some concerns were raised internally about the programme and we subsequently discussed the issues raised with HEE.”

A Health Education England spokesman said: “Concerns were raised to us through the NHS whistleblowing policy. The event was postponed and we will oversee a review to ensure the rescheduled training meets the needs of all those concerned, including the curriculum for trainees, and the requirements for patient, carer and public involvement.”

Mermaids declined to comment.

Sorry, formatting error there.

It's all they have.
We can all see it.

I was at:

"In her intervention, Susie Green, the chief executive of Mermaids who was due to speak alongside Ms Davies-Arai and other charities on a panel about support for trans youth, told organisers that Mermaids “cannot be a part of a conference that gives a platform to Transgender Trend, regardless of whether their work is in the public domain or not”.

She went on to tell NHS staff in an email that "in addition to Transgender Trend, I would suggest that CAMHS (child and adolescent mental health services) stay clear of anyone involved with anti-trans pseudo-medical platforms that have been set up with the sole intention of attacking trans people (especially trans youth) and their healthcare."

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

I’ve no idea why when mermaids et al start throwing their toys around & refusing to appear, that conference organisers don’t just shrug and say “fair enough, your call” and carry on without them

Why do these petulant pillocks get to dictate everything?

Exactly this. Don’t want to attend without an actual reason? Don’t then - your loss.

The constant whining that they ‘don’t feeewl saaaaaafe’ doesn’t fly. What do they think will happen? Someone reaches through the screen and throttles them? Do the have the ability to zap death rays over the web? Send curses?

You’re hope a hospital would have had more spine than give into these people.

earlier this month she [Helen Joyce] was asked to respond to a list of allegations a trainee child psychiatrist had sent organisers, warning them: “There is no possible way in which this event can possibly be a ‘safe environment’ for LGBTQ+ and especially trans participants.”

and the correct answer would have been we've read through your written tantrum list of allegations and find them all to be baseless (as I have no doubt they were), so Helen Joyce will be taking part as planned

when will organisations find a backbone?

not safe my left foot

I'll tell you what's not bloody safe, encouraging children to believe they can change sex

It’s insanity to pander to those who stamp their feet.
Please make it stop….

I thought we were past this nonsense.

Until they carry on with events and say 'fine, if you don't want to attend, dont' this will continue. They need to grow a spine.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I was at:

"In her intervention, Susie Green, the chief executive of Mermaids who was due to speak alongside Ms Davies-Arai and other charities on a panel about support for trans youth, told organisers that Mermaids “cannot be a part of a conference that gives a platform to Transgender Trend, regardless of whether their work is in the public domain or not”.

She went on to tell NHS staff in an email that "in addition to Transgender Trend, I would suggest that CAMHS (child and adolescent mental health services) stay clear of anyone involved with anti-trans pseudo-medical platforms that have been set up with the sole intention of attacking trans people (especially trans youth) and their healthcare."

I know.

And they wonder why people accuse them of continuing to create fear in children and young people! They cannot allow any other stream of thought to be even discussed.

They have nothing and can see there funding drying up in the future.

Just when you think we're making progress...

Since one would hope a hospital would be staffed by people with a firm grasp of the fact that humans cannot change sex, I'd have thought the obvious response would be relief that Mermaids handed them an opportunity to say, "OK, don't come if you don't want to," and give the entire platform to speakers who also have a firm grasp of the fact that humans cannot change sex.

It’s such a blatant show of power. Stamp their feet and oh look, Mermaids get exactly what they want. It was perfectly reasonable for the conference to show both sides of the debate (much as I find Mermaids horrifying, having seen the dark side of their Youth Forum). I suspect we’ll see a lot more of this now that the Cass Review appears to be taking a balanced approach. Bullies.

"unsafe"

People disagreeing with you from a remote location makes you feel 'unsafe'. It is the most pathetic of responses and yet it is being taken seriously. HOW are you made to feel 'unsafe'? Are these people worried that they will actually have to examine exactly what it is they are lobbying for?

Two days before the event, following a late-stage trainee complaint, a GOSH senior leader told Ms Davies-Arai that disinviting her was a “necessary decision to enable the conference to go ahead”, acknowledging they had wanted “thoughtful debate” in “this controversial field”.

I remember Helen Joyce saying that she did not blame the organisers who disinvited her. She understood the importance of the conference and that the organisers were pushed to not being able to do anything but disinvite her.

She blamed other parties. And I think we can see who was behind it all - the charity that demands other charities be stripped of these charity status using funding as an excuse, and who must be absolutely packing it that they are going to be exposed as the charlatans they are because they have not been balanced in what they present. They have been as ideological as one of their senior people who expressed concern that their little boy liked dolls.

Go figure, if you house of cards is about to fall, you would be holding on for dear life. And they are.

The emperor has no clothes.

The house is built on shifting sands.

The Cass interim report has started to expose this.

Some of the student trainees protested too. I hope they feel good about that 5-10 years down the line.

I hope their behaviour has gone on the record somewhere.

Surely the response should have been

'We are sorry that opposing views make you feel unsafe (although how, exactly?) but as this is such an important topic the event will go ahead, Is there a statement you would like us to publicise, given that you no longer wish to attend? If not we will simply say that you have chosen to withdraw'

I can't roll my eyes enough at "unsafe".

Why do people pander to this nonsense? Completely agree with PPs who said organisers need to say "OK then" and carry on without them.

Is he offering them help for their persecution complex

Well of course they feel unsafe. Gender critical supporters throw around so many rape and death threats. Oh, wait….