Great Ormond St conference deplatforms Helen Joyce & Stephanie Davies-Arai

[Helleofabore]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/19/great-ormond-street-cancels-trainee-doctor-conference-trans/

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Great Ormond Street cancels trainee doctor conference over trans ‘safety’ complaints

Zoom conference descended into chaos as trans activists refused to appear alongside gender-critical speakers

I've only just realised that Dr Hilary Cass was due to speak. I'm sure she's delighted that Mermaids and their fans have led to this event being cancelled.
I look forward to her final report.

I’m glad Mermaids have done this. Dr Cass has seen exactly how this organisation works.

This is unbelievable. So a couple of trainee clinicians and the CEO of Mermaids (who as others have pointed out has no actual expertise in this area) have managed to get a webinar for 150 people cancelled and, in the process, has no-platformed:
Hilary Cass, author of the Cass Report & former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics & Child Health;
Bernadette Wren, former head of psychiatry at the Tavistock;
Stephanie Davies-Arai of Transgender Trend who were permitted to intervene in the Keira Bell case;
Helen Joyce, author of best-selling book 'Trans' and sharp as a tack.
Plus others no doubt.

How can this be possible? How do these people get to wield such power?

Can the grown ups just meet anyway and leave the babies to suck their thumbs?

Own goal?

They’ve demonstrated some major issues very neatly to Dr Cass, and they’ve triggered a review “to ensure the rescheduled training meets the needs of all those concerned.”

I’m not sure they’ll like the outcome of such a review. Agreeing with everything TRAs demand isn’t an effective way to cover your ass any more.

Actually, I can imagine they didn’t want David Bell speaking either. A highly experienced clinician in that field who disagrees with affirming only and puberty blockers.

so, are Mermaids going to deliver a list of pre-approved people whom they will share a platform with?

Someone suggested this on a different No platforming thread, but they need to bring out the blocks of lard a la Have I Got News for you style.
Or an empty chair

It is my dd's 16th birthday today, we were talking earlier about what she could do today that she couldn't yesterday and we couldn't really think of anything (other than age of consent). She is in the land between child and adult but ultimately she is still a child.

Yet, SG thought it entirely appropriate to go and take JG to Thailand for surgery. The fact that it is the age at which they are deemed able to consent to sex seems to make it worse when that option was pretty much been taken away from JG.

“this controversial field”

It's not controversial. It's a fucking travesty that we have allowed lobbyists to influence clinicians - but there's no controversy at the root of it.

Humans can't change sex. That's not controversial at all.

Mermaids have got the NHS to cancel the very woman the NHS appointed to review an NHS clinic, and whose interim report found they were subject to undue outside influence?

Have I got that right?

I think you have datun. It is pretty telling isn’t it?

I do think, given the current issue with both this and single-sex wards and healthcare provision, there's a case for women to mobilise and sign up to be part of lots of patient panels and forums - there are opportunities at lots of levels, GP practice patient involvement groups, Clinical Commissioning Group patient groups, Primary Care Networks, hospital patient groups, Integrated Care Systems (ICSs) and national groups.

YY. It's important.

Seems like acting in a way that ended up cancelling the person leading the national review (who's said that adults' strong views are not helping children), is a result that probably should have been thought through before feet were stamped.

This happens in no other branch of medicine. In my field where there is a lack of consensus of the most effective treatments, conferences are planned to look at the evidence from all angles trials designed and delivered, results are poured over until there is a broadly agreed clinical consensus. And then patients will be followed up long term to increase confidence that the chosen approach has the best outcome. All is done in an open and transparent way. Occasionally tempers run high when there is a big divide between two camps with reputations and careers at stake, but the field as a whole moves beyond this through open dialogue and investing in strengthening the evidence base.

To see this policisation of medicine is shocking, to see it in a field involving treatments that have irreversible effects of children is mind blowing.

I think Prof Cass will have to take this into her own hands and create the spaces where this very necessary discourse can happen.

The more I think about it, was deplatforming Dr Cass the aim?

Are Mermaids so worried that they will be pointed out as being responsible for amplifying the affirming only treatment plan to such an extent that they simply could not help themselves in getting involved with dodgy actions that they need to flex to deplatform Dr Cass as well? I mean, Dr Cass wouldn’t be doing that, but many others will be publicly when report is finally in. It is inevitable.

I would hope that wasn’t the primary aim… but they certainly achieved that in any case.

If you're right @Helleofabore then it's really only likely to last mere months. Isn't the report due this summer? Surely it would have been better to have looked like you were not doing "no debate" - even if your performance wasn't strong. But I find the logic of Mermaids must either be absent or too difficult for me to pin down. I've tried but I struggle to follow their chain of thought.

I actually think GOSH was a bit naive to invite so many outside campaigning speakers to this event. This was always going to happen. They should reschedule with just NHS people so that the focus can be on Hilary Cass and the medical implications of transition.

I have never noticed Mermaids to respond logically. Between Stonewall and Mermaids, I would expect Stonewall to have a modicum more logic.

Neither seem as self aware as they should be in their positions.

JoanOgden

This is true to a certain extent. Except that restricting the speakers also restricts the opinions given and the wider scope. Shouldn’t that also be important?

Who from the NHS is going to feel free to stand and deliver some of the failures of the NHS and the implications. Dr Cass has not finished her report and probably cannot deliver such a strong message.

I agree. Mermaids seemed to have been contacted for a comment but not provided one. That's how the Telegraph article ends and I think it's standard fare when that happens (the paper is showing they tried to give everyone a fair hearing) but it always stands out.

I worked for HEE until very recently. Asked questions about their involvement with Stonewall at least 4 times in staff meetings via Slido. Each time the question was ignored.

I joined the Women's Network when it was first set up around 2 or 2 and a half years ago and listened to other women say that anyone could identify as a woman, anyone at all, and that had to be accepted as fact by people.

HEE is going through a 'merger' and the current and relatively new chief executive in my opinion doesn't have the appetite to face sensible discussions desperately needed around sex and gender.

So - don't look to HEE for a sensible response around this.

That must have been tricky to navigate Motnight.

And that is a rather dispiriting insight. Hope you moved on to better things.

Editoial in the Observer
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/20/observer-view-cass-review-gender-identity-services-young-people?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The Cass review’s interim report finds children with gender identity issues are ill served by adults who shut down debate

Even in the wake of the Cass report’s hard-hitting findings, some clinicians and charities continue in their efforts toshut downlegitimate debate about the affirmative model. These adults must examine their consciences, because it is children whose care is compromised as a result of their ideology.

Times are changing

Susie Green = the Violet Elizabeth Bott of the trans world.

HEE is going through a 'merger' and the current and relatively new chief executive in my opinion doesn't have the appetite to face sensible discussions desperately needed around sex and gender.

So - don't look to HEE for a sensible response around this.

That's very disappointing. HEE looks like it's about to go through a great number of changes. There's a substantial need for an overhaul as it's not been meeting the education needs of several notable groups of people in the NHS and various partners.

Even in the wake of the Cass report’s hard-hitting findings, some clinicians and charities continue in their efforts to shut down legitimate debate about the affirmative model. These adults must examine their consciences, because it is children whose care is compromised as a result of their ideology.

Setting aside the pusillanimous nature of their management structures, what is the point of having a forum specifically for input from patients/public if patients/public don't influence the handling of important issues like this where ideology is affecting the care that this vulnerable group of children needs?

Either the values of the NHS constitution mean something or they don't.