Posie Parker Fox News

[IdentifyingAsAPrincess]

www.foxnews.com/sports/lia-thomas-protesters-ncaa-women-swimming-victory-atlanta

So unapologetic "There's a man called Will Thomas, who's changed his name to Lia Thomas". No pissing around with the TW descriptor, I used to think she was a bit much, now I think she's just right and very needed.

Can we have a thread to follow her US trip please, she had a great Speaker Corner outside the White House too.

@Linguini - the journalist man is female, someone posted it upthread.

I thought they were a slightly built gay man. Agree, hard to tell with the angle and mask.

I have come to realise that I now assume that those I "read" as "slightly built gay man" are trans men.

I didn't clock that person on the video - but I reckonI would in real life.

KJK has always been firm on woman = Adult Human Female, which she mentions in the clip below - Black and White, plain English truth. It does sound harsh when you are used to women being accommodating and kind. But she is absolutely right on this, and pronouns etc.

Using she and her and woman to refer to Lia Thomas blurs the line a little, even though people can see that Lia Thomas is a he and a man. It doesn't drive the point home in the way speaking the plain English truth does.

I've also seen her say, when she was asked if she was a TERF or transphobic or something

'I'll take the label if it allows me to speak the truth'

which I am keeping up my sleeve for if it's ever needed.

'it does sound harsh when you are used to women being accommodating and kind. But she is absolutely right on this, and pronouns etc.'

Exactly! We're so used to 'well, it's a very complicated issue, must have a reasonable debate etc', but she's just like 'no. Just no. That's a man. I'm not having it'

I'm sure she has MANY shortcomings but she is absolutely what we need on this issue, and I'm in awe of her bravery

@IdentifyingAsAPrincess

"Cheat!"

Did Kellie-Jay attend the swimming baths just to shout at a transgender person and anyone supporting them?

Also did she ask that man's permission to record and upload him to the internet?

I don't know whether she asked that woman's permission of not. I believe she attended to watch the race.

I think Lia T winning the women's titles is a lot much. Too much for me to stomach.

Lia didn't women the women's title. It became a mixed-sex title when they let a male in.

Oh 🙄
Well years of injecting testosterone will do that to your face I suppose.

Still doesn't change the fact that you can read someone's sex from their face ....

..... Unless you take huge cosmetic steps to ensure no one can.

More lack of any logic on the GI front as if 'sport is competitive' and inherently unfair then this is an argument for removing any sex-based categorisation. It is not an argument for males being in the female category.

Also did she ask that man's permission to record and upload him to the internet?

Now, now you are worried about consent? OH MY DAYS.

Did Lia ask the young womens' permission to expose their penis in the changing rooms, and compete against and beat them at what started out as a female race?

Agree, @Linguini. Testosterone is a helluva drug.

Some trans men really do pass convincingly because of it. But, it doesn't seem to work long term because a thin beard and a peculiar voice isn't what being a man is. And once you see them from behind they have a female pelvis, and there's no disguising that - it must be exhausting trying to pass all the time. I'm sympathetic because they'll never get what they want. Counselling would be better than cosmetic steps.

Oh, hi @MargaritaPie.

Nice to see you here again. Did you bring any relevant points today?

Want to chat about Lia getting Lia's penis out in the changing room? That's not very ladylike behaviour. Why would you think Lia would do that?

Did Kellie-Jay attend the swimming baths just to shout at a transgender person and anyone supporting them?

Have all the trans protestors at events and protests for women attend just to shout at women and anyone supporting them?

@MargaritaPie

I wish I could have afforded a ticket to shout cheat. Unfortunately I'm too poor. Glad someone did it in my behalf. Because that's what is. Cheating.

Watch Thomas throw a race now. Penn has no chance of winning the team title so points don’t matter, and LT already “made history.” Now LT will lose on purpose to keep the scam that there’s no advantages going.

@Misstache

Watch Thomas throw a race now. Penn has no chance of winning the team title so points don’t matter, and LT already “made history.” Now LT will lose on purpose to keep the scam that there’s no advantages going.

I've seen that tactic in weight lifting, actually.

Didn't compete in the olympics but won sportswoman of the year.

Go figure.

On the accompanying article by Martina Navratilova.....

Sixteen of Thomas' teammates wrote a letter claiming that "Biologically, Lia holds an unfair advantage over competition in the women’s category, as evidenced by her rankings that have bounced from #462 as a male to #1 as a female."

Posie Parker is an incredibly brave woman - we need more like her!

Wow from #492 to #1

And people are still supporting this.

@MargaritaPie a fair few people in that crowd would be thinking it (‘cheat’) but can’t or won’t say it. She just said it. Out loud.

America has very different freedom of speech rules than Europe. She is not breaking the law saying lia Thompson is a man. He is a man.

@TinselAngel

Is "a bit much" code for insufficiently naice?

Oh yes! That's precisely it, isn't it? Woman, know your place... as usual!

And to my shame I forgot the " " around those words in my first response.

As I said, more power to her!

@Tiphaine

I agree with all those saying it took them a while to get over their female socialisation and just call a man a man, but we got there and PP's forthright honesty helped us. You get called a transphobic terf for any minor infraction of the dogma. If I'm going to be called a bigot and lectured by an achingly obnoxious MRA scrote because I used 'transwoman' instead of 'trans woman', I'll just use 'man' and be done with it. Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

Interesting. I used to get a lot of weird corrections about a decade ago when I first began studying the trans movement. The acceptable terminology changed every week, and if you used the previous week's acceptable terminology, you were 'educated' on how ignorant you were.

The goal is to make people spend resources on tiptoeing around the minefield of words and ultimately the acceptable words will be so opaque that they can't be used for debating at all as nobody knows what is being said.

But of course now even the word 'woman' is like that, and there is no acceptable word for the female sex at all. Makes fighting sex-based oppression hard as I keep saying.

On Posie Parker: My own stance is that I don't necessarily have to approve of everything some activist does or believes in order to support her voice on specific issues. There are many areas where working with partial coalitions is necessary. It doesn't cause permanent marriages and it shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush.

Life is complicated, people are flawed, and perfect shouldn't be the enemy of good as often as it seems to be.

Oh Marg Hi! I have almost missed you.

Did Kellie-Jay attend the swimming baths just to shout at a transgender person and anyone supporting them?

Yes. I suspect she did. A tactic she probably picked up from all of those often hooded TRAs attending women's meetings, but with less actual violence.

Also did she ask that man's permission to record and upload him to the internet?

Public meeting. The venue had no bans on pictures or video. In fact there were lots and lots of all sorts of coverage! There are no laws against it. Just as there are no laws against someone taking your picture when you are out in public.

She's not a bit much, she's just right. She is the fearless voice that we need.