How will we ever get these disgraceful Tories out, if Starmer keeps spouting this nonsense?

[HoliHormonalTigerlilly]

I mean,aside from wondering why on earth he's visiting soldiers in Estonia and banging on about TWAW, I am seriously wondering how we will ever get rid of these heartless Tories?

Labour seem intent on alienating half the population 😢

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-women-are-women-says-keir-starmer-in-call-for-legal-reform-6rk9tpxsl

It’s a huge problem for Labour

I’ve voted for them in the past but this issue is a line I won’t cross

There are other things I’d like to see changed too, if they could get closer to their landslide years

To misquote a famous Tory...

"The Tory party is the worst party for women rights... except for all the others on the ballot".

Surprised even my not very GC twitter account (I have 2) is blocked by the person on page 1 who says he's leaving the greens. Must follow someone too TERFy (probably Green Feminists to be honest)
I agree nobody to vote for anymore and it's awful
I can't vote tory but all the other options refuse to get this right

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Starmer is a Tory shill anyway who infiltrated the labour party to make it unelectable. first he targeted all the lefties and kicked them out, then the anti isreal jews, now women.

Yeah, because the lefties and the anti semitism made Labour electable.

who's anti antisemitic? it was starmer kicking jews out the party for not supporting isreali apartheid .

We lefties at least have our principles and will not sell the poor out, everyone knew what the austerity scam was about, if you voted for us to return to the Victorian era you cant claim any moral high ground thats for sure.

@TheGoogleMum

Surprised even my not very GC twitter account (I have 2) is blocked by the person on page 1 who says he's leaving the greens. Must follow someone too TERFy (probably Green Feminists to be honest) I agree nobody to vote for anymore and it's awful I can't vote tory but all the other options refuse to get this right

probably because your female try creating a new account under the name dave ballsack or something.

these people act very different on social media depending on what sex you are, thats why most of my accounts are generic anime/animal figures and matching names (altho I am not on twitter out of principle and refuse to give them the click thru traffic of pressing any twitter links, twitter needs to go)

Starmer is a Tory shill anyway who infiltrated the labour party to make it unelectable. first he targeted all the lefties and kicked them out, then the anti isreal jews, now women.

Well the Tories had to do something to stop Corbyn stunning election successes.

Of course Starmer had the perfect cover: working class, socialist upbringing; lifelong party member; pursuing a career away from politics for most of his life; decades fighting for social justice issues- cunning Tory bastard.

What is this policy that "encourages" women to provide care?
Social care policy

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sajid-javid-health-nhs-family-b1932886.html

Everyone knows "family" means women in this context

@AdamRyan

What is this policy that "encourages" women to provide care? Social care policy

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sajid-javid-health-nhs-family-b1932886.html

Everyone knows "family" means women in this context

Need to log in to see the whole thing, got a different link to whole article?

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/07/javid-families-social-care-fixed-health-secretary-conference

I like that article:
A call for care “to begin at home” is really a call for women to go out to work all day, fitting in care on top. Or to quit their careers altogether and labour at home for free. Javid can implore for “care to begin at home” because wealthy men such as him will never have to do it.

To be fair to Sajid Javid, it may be that his own home (immigrant family who were not rich at all) was one where it was taken for granted that family members would be cared for at home.

This may be unrealistic in modern times, and definitely depends on unpaid women, but family care would be nice in an ideal world.

I really dont like giving the grauniad the clicks. But anyway I read it.

Just because javid says care should begin at home doesn't mean it will.
Plenty of women or men wont, wont be able to, don't want to, dont live close enough to, dont want to give up their job and prospects and pension, see no reason to as that's for social services to organise. And multitudes of other reasons.

I thought you meant money, good money was being offered to anyone who decided to give up work or go part time to care for a relative, as that's not on offer then few people will take into account what he says.

Its just words, I can state for the records , I'm all for world peace, I just need at least half the world to agree with me and help me depose despots.
Ain't gonna happen, but man I sound lovely.

AdamRyan, just so I'm clear - are you listing all of the things you think are worse than adult male being allowed to undress next to girls?

You are allowed to have your own priorities, I'm going to prioritize my daughters and elderly mothers dignity and safety.

There is an answer to this, although it's not an easy one. Women need to join the left wing parties and get involved.
The Greens made very real progress at their recent conference, successfully kicking a number of batshit TRA motions to the kerb and pushing through GC amendments on others.
The sunlight that we needed is happening. It's no longer easy for TRAs to sneak through anti-woman policy while disguising it as 'inclusive'. A lot of ordinary party members aren't happy and won't support them.
If we want our left wing parties back, we need to take them. Join the party that should best suit you, get to know who's who, vote whenever you can in internal elections.
Every single TRA who is in power in these parties was voted in, sometimes by quite small internal margins. They can be voted out again.
We can do it. We just need to puuuuuuuullllll.

There is an answer to this, although it's not an easy one. Women need to join the left wing parties and get involved

We've been through all this the last few years.
It boils down to why pay to join a party that thinks you dont exist?
I have limited funds, I'm not going to squander them on being ignored.
Even were we to join and pay, we would be the equivalent of the envelope licker/poster and be told "after the revolution we'll get to your issues sister"

If a party elite cannot see the major issues even now then I don't want to be a member, if the party elite are so fucking shallow that what a man says is true and they are to be trusted implicitly and everything revolves around men then I give no fucks any more.
It takes zero skills to see what we all see.
I will not be patronised and pay for that.

There is an answer to this, although it's not an easy one. Women need to join the left wing parties and get involved.

And be another women like Rosie Duffield who Starmer watches get abuse and does nothing? He said that she was wrong to say only woman have a cervix. Labour are more than a few women getting involved from protecting women and girls from this ideology.

There is an answer to this, although it's not an easy one. Women need to join the left wing parties and get involved.

I did say it wasn't easy. :D The Greens have made massive progress on this, even if we're not there yet. It can be done.

There is a similar fightback going on in the Liberal Democrats

twitter.com/LibVoice4Women/status/1503117498622918658?s=20&t=_31xpA50r7lVBZpDnalk8A

Does saying "these disgraceful Tories" imply that there is another party which is not disgraceful? Because I don't know of one.

I'd be very interested to hear what changes are afoot in the Greens.

Shahrar Ali, ex green party spokesperson is suing the party after being sacked for stating gender critical beliefs. I don't know if that's the massive progress you mean?

That sounds like a good start to me.

@ZuttZeVootEeeVo

AdamRyan, just so I'm clear - are you listing all of the things you think are worse than adult male being allowed to undress next to girls?

You are allowed to have your own priorities, I'm going to prioritize my daughters and elderly mothers dignity and safety.

I'm listing all the actual things the Tories have done versus the potential risk of a different party allowing self ID so males can undress next to females. As I said, if Labour/Lib Dems or Greens made it actual policy to implement self ID, I wouldn't vote for them. It's only the last couple of years the conservatives have moved position, having previously been TWAW, and I doubt that's because they've suddenly turned feminist

@Terfydactyl

I really dont like giving the grauniad the clicks. But anyway I read it.

Just because javid says care should begin at home doesn't mean it will.
Plenty of women or men wont, wont be able to, don't want to, dont live close enough to, dont want to give up their job and prospects and pension, see no reason to as that's for social services to organise. And multitudes of other reasons.

I thought you meant money, good money was being offered to anyone who decided to give up work or go part time to care for a relative, as that's not on offer then few people will take into account what he says.

Its just words, I can state for the records , I'm all for world peace, I just need at least half the world to agree with me and help me depose despots.
Ain't gonna happen, but man I sound lovely.

Money is on offer, if people can secure their relatives home by providing care. They get the inheritance. And in families its pretty obvious who'll be expected to protect the inheritance or be seen as selfish.

Capitalism is built on exploitation. Of course the Conservatives don't want to pay for care.

Even were we to join and pay, we would be the equivalent of the envelope licker/poster and be told "after the revolution we'll get to your issues sister"

This ^^ I am so so tired of parties thinking they can shit all over women's rights and still expect out support because we'll put other priorities first.

Imagine if a party said they were going to do something that would predominantly impact men, even something vaguely daft such as saying once elected they were going to ban football on terrestrial tv and cancel Match of the Day.

Nobody would be turning to football fans and saying "ah they might be saying that about MotD, but their other policies are better so you have to vote for them." No, the party would be vilified by the press and told instantly they couldn't expect any votes from football fans and to prepare for electoral defeat. The policy would be gone by midday.

But of course no party would ever do something that daft. Match of the Day is a national institution, something important, not like the fundamental definition and rights of women.