Dr Jessica Taylor New Book

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Hi,

Is anyone else going to the Birmingham book launch of Sexy But Psycho on Sunday night?

@Clymene

It’s not worrying. It’s more worrying that women are misdiagnosed as having ADHD when it’s a trauma response they are dealing with.

She doesn’t generalise all women with an autistic diagnosis either, as she’s already made clear the only organic brain differences that occur are those in people with autism and dementia.

She is staying some women have been misdiagnosed.

*saying rather

[quote Eyedropeyeflop]@Clymene

It’s not worrying. It’s more worrying that women are misdiagnosed as having ADHD when it’s a trauma response they are dealing with.

She doesn’t generalise all women with an autistic diagnosis either, as she’s already made clear the only organic brain differences that occur are those in people with autism and dementia.

She is staying some women have been misdiagnosed.[/quote]
And what is her evidence for that? Where are the studies? The peer reviewed research? That's a pretty bold statement to make.

@Clymene

Okay so you tell me where there is evidence that people who suffer from mental health diagnostic conditions have different brains structurally?

Good luck with that.

If you do not believe people can be misdiagnosed then you’re really not very knowledgeable at all.

@Eyedropeyeflop

If you do not believe people can be misdiagnosed then you’re really not very knowledgeable at all.

Autism is a lifelong neurological condition. It's not caused by trauma.

Given how difficult it is for women to be assessed for autism, never mind diagnosed, I find her ideological position (and that's all it is - there is no substance to it), profoundly troubling.

You can disagree and that's your prerogative.

[quote GlorianaCervixia]Jessica has announced this today:

"Excited today!

We begin training new staff teams for NHS pilot in which we are working together to create an alternative to CAMHS.

A new children’s trauma service with no diagnosis, no meds and no pathologising."

There are some very good questions (none of them have been answered as far as I can see) in response to her tweet about what this means, how it will work with existing services and how children who need diagnosis and medication will be addressed. Worth reading, there are some good points being made.

twitter.com/DrJessTaylor/status/1508712161777967104?s=20&t=i49AyrM0eZPG1pCN0BcDWA[/quote]
Sorry this makes me laugh as if it’s a ‘new’ thing.

There are many Services out there already responding to early life trauma. You just need to look to the adoption ‘world’ so see that they have been at the forefront of this. She is not doing something original!

Kim Golding, Dan Hughes, Beacon House, Amber Elliot, Sarah Naich just to name a very few. Let alone the organisations such as Family Futures, Adoption U.K., etc etc.

Also I know of at least two CAHMS teams that are trauma based.

Oh and let alone the many many many Children Services across the country with social workers slogging their guts out actually working directly with children.

@Clymene

Autism is a lifelong neurological condition, yes no one is disputing that. The issue is there are people who are misdiagnosed with autism in services.

There is a magnitude of substance in misdiagnosis. My only grandmother was once nearly labelled autistic. (She absolutely wasn’t, but did receive a fair few labels over her lifetime)

@WellThatsMeScrewed

She still deserves to be applauded for bringing the issue of trauma to the forefront. I believe her stance is more radical, but so what if others have essentially got there before her, I mean it’s not a competition is it? It’s good to read different perspectives.

She clearly threatens a lot of people out there.

@Eyedropeyeflop what tosh! Threatened by her? What on Earth do you mean by that? I’m not threatened by her I am simply finding it funny that she claims to be radical when she simply is not. Have you read any of the people I have mentioned? I’ve read a book (if not 2 or 3) by then all plus others and she is not new!!!

Also as I mentioned above many social workers have been working in a trauma informer way for years. Social work is not an elite profession like clinical psychology is, it’s full of women, often older women, who have had their own experiences so again this idea that she is the first working class woman to break these barriers is just not true. But then that is an inconvenient truth for her social media presence.

Also please drop the autism is a ‘label’. It isn’t it’s a bloody label but a diagnosis for which many many many girls and women have been massively under diagnosed with resulting in real harm.

@WellThatsMeScrewed

Whilst I appreciate its not a label it certainly was in the context of my grandmother (because she was never autistic so for her it absolutely would have been a “label”).

@WellThatsMeScrewed

I’ve also read many books but they never really make me angry. She doth protest a bit too much…..

@notwhatineednow

Agreed. You read a lot of CAHMS bashing on mumsnet and politics aside, the moment someone tries to change something for the better there’s still something to moan about I mean…

“Who even is she?”

Honestly I really think JT threatens a lot of people and their “knowledge” I’ve read all the books and have all the knowledge

Yawn.

Christ I’m out of this discussion!

I really did not think anything I said was that contentious but apparently it was.

Sorry just to say I have not criticised CAHMS at all!!! Quite the opposite, I’m actually saying I know of two teams who are doing something that sounds similar so I was actually praising them! They work bloody hard, over stretched and under funded.

@WellThatsMeScrewed

Christ I’m out of this discussion!

I really did not think anything I said was that contentious but apparently it was.

You didn't say anything wrong. There are some very fierce defenders of Taylor on this forum.

It's not you.

@Clymene thank you! Thought I was losing it there for a moment.

Right going to read my book, because you know I’ve got to be ‘miss know it all who has read all the books’.

[quote Eyedropeyeflop]@Clymene

It’s not worrying. It’s more worrying that women are misdiagnosed as having ADHD when it’s a trauma response they are dealing with.

She doesn’t generalise all women with an autistic diagnosis either, as she’s already made clear the only organic brain differences that occur are those in people with autism and dementia.

She is staying some women have been misdiagnosed.[/quote]
I know several women and men who have been refused an autism assessment because they have a trauma history as there are some overlaps in presentation.

I was lucky that I found an NHS psychologist who spent hours on my autism assessment to tease out what was possible autism and CPTSD.

If anything autism in women is still under diagnosed and it is very common for autistic women to be misdiagnosed with BPD/ EUPD.

What made me angry was the gact that autistic and ADHD women were very clearlt telling JT that this was not their experience and she just doubled down on her opinions. She said giving women these diagnoses was pathologising them, yet then stated her own child is autistic.

twitter.com/drjesstaylor/status/1454389404416548866?lang=en

There’s a difference between fiercely defending someone and actually just fiercely agreeing with someone.

It’s not an emotive subject because of JT it’s emotive because MH has always been that way and people feel passionately about it.

These discussions are a good thing.

twitter.com/flatman_rosie/status/1514344844013051909

How many women has she done this to?!