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Dr Jessica Taylor New Book

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Seiheiki · 10/03/2022 12:40

Hi,

Is anyone else going to the Birmingham book launch of Sexy But Psycho on Sunday night?

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crosshatching · 15/04/2022 09:34

Shocked seeing this on Twitter this morning. She says she has contracts? I guess those will be easy enough to produce if so?

GlorianaCervixia · 29/04/2022 07:29

Twitter thread from someone who claims to have had her story used in Dr Taylor's book in a way that leaves her identifiable and saying that Taylor has disclosed private information about her to others:

twitter.com/sallyann98745/status/1519571787159420928?s=20&t=E1HSngfGQWPmcf5kCeyjVQ

fearisthemindkiller · 29/04/2022 08:42

It’s not looking good.

One thing I noticed though, the girl in the thread said before that she didn’t give permission, now she says she did but JT obtained it unethically. Something doesn’t seem right.

greyinganddecaying · 29/04/2022 09:14

fearisthemindkiller · 29/04/2022 08:42

It’s not looking good.

One thing I noticed though, the girl in the thread said before that she didn’t give permission, now she says she did but JT obtained it unethically. Something doesn’t seem right.

Perhaps she means she gave permission to use her story, but not in the book?

Who knows?

She's not the only one unfortunately.

colouringindoors · 29/04/2022 10:43

I'm becoming more wary of Dr Jess. Had previously been quite a fan, esp "Why women are blamed for everything" and her highlighting the reality of traumatised women being diagnosed BPD etc. But this stuff is concerning.

More so for me is the fact that her views on trauma seem to be swinging unhelpfully past non pathologising into ??? Yesterday a tweet saying flashbacks are just like memories. Er, no, they are very, very different, and many on twitter pointed this out. I get that she wants to reframe "ptsd" as a normal response to trauma, not a disorder, but trying to equate flashbacks with memories is, imo, as someone recovering from major trauma, seriously unhelpful, bordering on insulting.

I'll see if I can find the tweet...

twitter.com/DrJessTaylor/status/1519414914082820097?t=BKPrq2j84EWhJcBMF9TY_Q&s=19

NutellaEllaElla · 29/04/2022 14:26

Flashbacks are unprocessed memories though?

Twitterwhooooo · 29/04/2022 21:24

Yeah. Ignoring the issues about whether she included survivors' accounts without their consent or not, Dr Jessica Taylor's latest 'anti-psychiatry/anti-pathology' sets of tweets have made me feel very uneasy.

Firstly, because there's a wealth of anti-psychiatry literature which she never refers to because she wants to claim that everything is her idea. Conventions in academia or if you're writing for any audience being explicit about your academic credentials is that you acknowledge your sources/ explain how previous thinkers have shaped and influenced your ideas and go from there. Psychologists and others have been writing from 'trauma-informed' perspectives for at least 30 years. That's important, ideas developing matter.

Secondly, because she never presents the 'what's next?' for survivors. Okay, we de-pathologise trauma, everyone stops taking medication, people stop using diagnoses and then what? The reality is that there would still be countless people in indescribable emotional torment - what are they meant to do?

Not actually wanting to diss Dr Jessica Taylor. I really want to like her work, but it doesn't sit well with me at all.

NutellaEllaElla · 30/04/2022 06:15

She doesn't have to cite references in tweets.

LizzieSiddal · 30/04/2022 08:23

Secondly, because she never presents the 'what's next?' for survivors. Okay, we de-pathologise trauma, everyone stops taking medication, people stop using diagnoses and then what?

very much agree with this. I unfollowed her after she made comments about trauma, women and antidepressants. Being put on that medication made a huge difference to my ability to partake fully in counselling and get huge benefits from it.

She is doing some fantastic work but imo, in some areas, throws the baby out with the bath water. She does however get conversations started about this topic and that has to be a good thing.

Teddah · 30/04/2022 10:47

I used to be an admirer of JT but my views have shifted. She’s let the power go to her head which is a shame. I’ve seen her wife be disproportionately aggressive to anyone who politely disagrees with JT on Twitter.
JT has posted random topics and articles and gives her uninformed, uneducated opinion.
I am really uncomfortable with the way she has spoken about the incident with the woman - it’s incited JT fans to “go after” someone really vulnerable.

Twitterwhooooo · 02/05/2022 19:42

Of course not - some academic references are longer than the number of characters possible in a tweet, and Twitter isn't the forum for this type of referencing anyway. It's more how Dr Jess positions and presents herself as some sort of 'lone voice against the system' when in reality, there is a wealth of historical and contemporary writing and research both from outside and within psychiatry criticising its terminology, power relationships, misogyny, medication, racism etc but in much more considered, detailed and nuanced ways that Dr Jess presents.

There's also a wealth of feminist writing and literature that she is indebted to and belongs in, rather than trying to pretend everything she thinks is her own idea alone.

Not locating herself in these debates makes it looks like she doesn't know much about them, which may well not be the case, but that's how it comes over.

I also don't think it's very professional of her to discuss the current allegations against her on Twitter, because of the vulnerability of the women involved, the vulnerability of the women who will read it, and the general un-boundariedness of it all.

GenderNo · 03/05/2022 15:20

I agree - this discussion needs to take place between Dr Jess and the women alleging away from Twitter.

I hope they can come to a resolution between them.

charlotterousse · 03/05/2022 22:53

fearisthemindkiller · 29/04/2022 08:42

It’s not looking good.

One thing I noticed though, the girl in the thread said before that she didn’t give permission, now she says she did but JT obtained it unethically. Something doesn’t seem right.

The woman in question has explained that she was receiving support from a regional charity for victims of child sexual exploitation. They retraumatised her by making her watch graphic films about CSE in the name of helping her. Some time later she came across Jess Taylor online, who was campaigning to stop charities from using these films. She contacted Jess by Facebook messenger in a very emotional state, poured out her story, and concluded with something like, "Do what you want with it, mayb. /e some of them will listen."

As an academic who carries out research with very vulnerable children and young people, I know that a Facebook message like that would never be accepted by a university or NHS ethics board as proof of consent. Never. Every participant in a research study has to be given a clear, detailed explanation of what the study involves, what its aims are, exactly how participants' data will be stored and used, and - crucially - how to withdraw their data if they no longer want to be involved. Then they sign it. All of this was absent from this woman's exchange with JT. Furthermore, it's unethical to take consent from a participant who is clearly in a very distressed emotive state. I once interviewed a young woman who broke down into tears and disclosed some deeply personal things. The following year, when I was preparing a manuscript based on that research for publication, I got in touch with her to ask if she wanted me to include this bit or if she would prefer it to be withdrawn. I had a suspicion that even though all the participants had been pseudonymised, she might not want that story out there in a book. She thanked me for being so thoughtful and told me she would prefer I didn't quote that particular part of her interview. Good research governance aside, this is basic compassion.

JT's conduct throughout all this has been beyond disturbing. First she suggested that this woman was seeing herself in the book when she wasn't really there because many women have similar trauma stories. Given that the story involved CSE films shown by a specific organisation, the chances of another woman coming forward with the identical story are statistically quite slim. Then JT started telling people that as the book was based on her PhD thesis, which predates her interaction with this woman, there's no way this woman could be in it...only her thesis is available online and there is not one single mention of CSE films anywhere in it. Not one. Then a second woman reveals a conversation she had had with JT in a Chinatown restaurant had made its way into Sexy but Psycho, a conversation that referred to her professional experiences - which were distinctive enough for a friend to recognise her. JT even mentions the venue in the book. Now, she could theoretically have met someone else in Chinatown who happened to have the exact same professional training and viewpoint and the exact same trauma history as this woman...but what are the odds? Add these two cases together, and the odds of them both being mistaken get slimmer again.

At first I had respect for JT's work. I bought one of her research journals and recommended it to my students. That respect started to unravel for many reasons, but I kept quiet because I thought she was just abrasive and a bit obnoxious at times, but not harmful. She has crossed red lines into actual harm. Her pronouncements about medication and therapy (made in full awareness that the general public are going to think she's a trained clinician) are frankly dangerous and this potential ethics breach is all of a piece with it.

Awalkintime · 04/05/2022 19:53

The woman also said JT put her in grave danger but then posted the very thing that apparently put her in danger. Others are also sharing it with no issue which seems bizarre. Those involved are also threatening anyone who doesn't follow them and back their campaign against JT.

charlotterousse · 04/05/2022 20:48

Awalkintime · 04/05/2022 19:53

The woman also said JT put her in grave danger but then posted the very thing that apparently put her in danger. Others are also sharing it with no issue which seems bizarre. Those involved are also threatening anyone who doesn't follow them and back their campaign against JT.

I've not seen any threats. What I have seen is people essentially telling the women involved, "If you cared so much about your privacy, you wouldn't be talking about this." It's hardly in line with either feminism or research ethics to suggest that a researcher should have carte blanche to publish people's stories without consent, and that if those people feel violated it's their responsibility to shut up.

The woman involved has stressed that she's in a safe place and has support from a specialist charity, and that she has gone public to try and gain a sense of control back over her own story. I don't think it's difficult to comprehend why an abuse survivor would want to control her own narrative. She couldn't control her own body and what was done to it, so the very least she can do is choose when ans by whom her story is told. I suspect that JT's ardent supporters would recognise this in any other context, but they've become so invested in the idea of her as a saviour of womankind that they can't bear the idea of her putting a foot wrong.

She has a habit of reacting to any critique or disagreement - however measured, however polite - by declaring that people must have a vendetta against her. She's never in the wrong, she never makes a mistake, anyone saying otherwise is just a vindictive hater. This doesn't square with the fact that concerns have been expressed by feminists and trauma professionals who have previously had positive things to say about her work. I do have some sympathy with her over this, as I think it may be a trauma response in itself - some people grow up in situations where it isn't safe to own your mistakes, and others experience any challenge as a threat - but that doesn't make it OK.

Awalkintime · 04/05/2022 21:25

I've not seen any threats.
I had threats personally when I didn't even have anything to say about it. I hadn't made any comment either way but because I had made a comment nothing to do with this issue but as I didn't immediately condemn JT I was deemed as 'fair game' to get abuse and threats. Even with an explanation that I am not interested in this situation and it should be done in the proper manner between them both, I was subject to some awful comments.

The woman involved has stressed that she's in a safe place
She also said she had had to make changes to ensure she was safe and still posted it regardless.

that doesn't make it OK
With regards to both parties it should be done in the proper manner not a witch hunt online with encouraging others to bait others. It really needs to be dealt with maturely and in the correct manner but it seems that they have no want for this for some reason.

charlotterousse · 04/05/2022 21:49

The woman concerned has explained her reasons for going public and if you don't don't find them credible there's little more I can say, except to point out that she should not be blamed for how other people have spoken to you on Twitter. JT has an extremely confrontational and abrasive online style, and her followers have launched into a fair few pile ons in the past. Despite her communication style, I still wouldn't hold her responsible for the behaviour of some of her followers. Secondly, the women involved here don't even have a tiny fraction of what she has - the follower count, the fanbase, the money to pay for legal advice. They are in a far less powerful position than she is. All they've done is be distraught in public, and I'm not going to call them immature for showing how they feel or accuse them of causing a witch hunt just because they haven't made protecting JT's reputation at all costs their first priority.

Awalkintime · 04/05/2022 22:06

I don't find it credible when there are more holes than swiss cheese and the story keeps changing. They have every right to be angry if this is the case but to round up the troops and encourage people is wrong which is what is happening. Do it properly like mature adults not a bunch of teenage kids on the playground. So no they are not just being upset online when innocent members of the public are being subject to this for saying they aren't interested and are more interested in just being normal humans online. And yes I will blame the person who did this to me as I am rightly able to.

Teder · 04/05/2022 22:23

It’s her story, she has a right to share it. That should not be up for question.

Awalkintime · 04/05/2022 22:27

When she tells a few different stories then it does make you question though.

Twitterwhooooo · 06/05/2022 20:40

Possibly. Or, for a person with any professional integrity, it might make them think that they're interacting with a highly traumatised human being who is entitled to the utmost care in relation to ethics and using their experience for commercial and reputational gain.

There's a stark disparity between claiming to be 'trauma-informed' and interacting with traumatised individuals in the way that Dr Jess has been doing on Twitter, I'm afraid.

@Awalkintime are you Dr Jess or her partner? You say "I will blame the person who did this to me as I am rightly able to" which made me wonder.

GingeryLemons · 06/05/2022 21:56

There's a stark disparity between claiming to be 'trauma-informed' and interacting with traumatised individuals in the way that Dr Jess has been doing on Twitter, I'm afraid.

Indeed.

If JT or her wife is on this thread, I fervently hope they take a moment and realise they have a massive ethical duty of care to any woman who is vulnerable enough to interact with them, share stories, or even recognise themselves in the pages of this new book. One cannot trade on the misery of others without recognising a responsibility to them.

Twitterwhooooo · 06/05/2022 22:34

Yes, although part of Dr Jess's ethical duty of care is confidentiality.

Her partner shouldn't know anything about the details of who is or isn't in her books.

Twitterwhooooo · 07/05/2022 09:39

charlotterousse I do have some sympathy with her over this, as I think it may be a trauma response in itself - some people grow up in situations where it isn't safe to own your mistakes, and others experience any challenge as a threat - but that doesn't make it OK.

This is a very valid point and without in anyway wishing to appropriate Dr Jess's narrative for her or try to 'analyse' her, there is something unsettling about her need to construct so many situations as a 'David (Davina?) and Goliath' scenario, where she is the little person fighting a harm much bigger than her. So every legitimate query or criticism becomes interpreted as part of a wider, misogynistic vendetta against her, even when it's another academic asking perfectly reasonable questions about sampling etc.

Her criticisms of psychiatry, medication and legal terms are similar. Although these aren't her fields of specialism or expertise, any response that isn't a glowing endorsement gets shut down as misogynistic hate. Even when it's a specialist in these fields suggesting an alternative interpretation or providing some information that Dr Jess doesn't seem to know about but is crucial to a proper discussion.

She seems to have lost sight of the highly traumatised women that she is interacting with, and lumped them in with every other criticism of her.

Awalkintime · 07/05/2022 10:43

Twitterwhooooo Nope not at all, I was just told not to blame someone which suggested that one person wasn't involved and I just replied that I will blame who was responsible.