Greta Thunberg IWD tweet "people oppressed because of gender"

[HelenaRavenclaw]

Shame on Greta Thunberg! Literally removing women from International Women's Day! How about "WOMEN are still being oppressed...for their SEX"?

Those who think Greta is a puppet and should sit down and shut up, do you think the same about all young climate campaigners? Sit down, shut up and leave it to the adults who have failed to listen to climate scientists for decades which is why we’re in the shit. Greta and the other young activists might not be right about everything but they’ve got good reason to be angry.
If you don’t want to be patronised and dismissed yourself, don’t dish it out to others.

Maybe you should hop over to the Neurodiverse MN board - we're a friendly bunch and you might learn something new. Be respectful, no shitposting and remember:

No about without

Oh, cut her some slack, will you?

She's Swedish, and (obligatory "I am not an expert on the linguistics of North Germanic languages here) from what I understand, her native tongue doesn't clearly distinguish between sex and gender.

And, for the record: ours happens to be the standard in global academia, and we still use "gender" to mean both "external expectations, roles" as well as "internal self-image, identity", too, and we manage to cause a great deal of confusion over whichever one we happen to be referring to at any given moment.

I don't think it's particularly feminist to criticise a young, female leader for failing to properly define her terminology upon posting on IWD. And on Twitter, of all places!

The issue is that she said people. Not women but people. Swedish has very different words for men, women and people. It's not an oversight, it's not a linguistic anomaly, it's a choice.

She supports what transgender people and their allies, including me, consider to be transgender rights, not what gender critical people think transgender rights are. .

You got all that from a hat and a trite platitude?

I have no issue with young people campaigning. I have an issue with a movement - however righteous their cause might be - using a child as a figurehead. I think it was wrong and it has diminished them in my eyes.

@PurpleParrotfish

Those who think Greta is a puppet and should sit down and shut up, do you think the same about all young climate campaigners? Sit down, shut up and leave it to the adults who have failed to listen to climate scientists for decades which is why we’re in the shit. Greta and the other young activists might not be right about everything but they’ve got good reason to be angry. If you don’t want to be patronised and dismissed yourself, don’t dish it out to others.

I don't know about sit down and shut up, but I think that there are a lot of young activists who need to start to listen to their elders and gain some understanding of the problem. And stop accusing them of "ruining" the planet which is just incredibly naive and inaccurate, and a way of avoiding their own responsibility in the end.

[quote DadJoke]@samphretheSticerist

She supports what transgender people and their allies, including me, consider to be transgender rights, not what gender critical people think transgender rights are. .

I don't insist you discuss women's rights without including men. I can't answer why I do something that I don't do.[/quote]
Yet here you are, telling us that your perspective is better than, more correct than any here. And ignoring the obvious. Making your own daft statements based on bugger all actual knowledge.

Every post that includes even the slightest hint of TWAW, trans rights are soemthingmore than human rights, have something missing, are being abused is centering men... on a site that is predominantly used by women. On a specific fora that is about WOMENS RIGHTS

And you can't answer that question because you would then be forced to confront your own biases and illogic!

Thing is, young activists do listen to the elders that actually make the attempt to engage with them rather than the presupposition that 'I am right and you are wrong.'

Do not assume that simply having not died yet automatically grants wisdom and knowledge if they haven't ever actively sought it or learn from it.

While it is important to have some international standards on terminology - like not mistaking sex for gender I do think it is easy to fret over details than the still massive issue of sex-based violence, gender-based violence and the maginalization of women, non-binary and non-gender conforming people worldwide.

It is worth noticing that autistic people are significantly more likely to be on the pansexual-asexual spectrum and to have non-gender conforming behviours than NT people.

What is the pansexual - asexual spectrum?

Bisexual in old money.

It's more about romantic/sexual attraction to people irrespective of sex or gender and is inclusive of intersex/non-binary people.
Demi-sexuality is somewhat midway on the pansexual-asexual spectrum in that a demi-sexual person can be content without sex but is also happy to have sex with a sexual partner. It took me a long time to realise that demisexuality is a thing.

It’s all the same thing. Just people desperate to find a shiny new label for themselves.

I do think it is easy to fret over details than the still massive issue of sex-based violence, gender-based violence and the maginalization of women

So marginalised that a famous young woman cannot even bring herself to use the word 'woman' on International Woman's Day.

I'd also love to know what you consider 'non-gender conforming behaviours'. Because we all know gender is just a tool of the patriarchy to keep women in their place. I suspect none of the gender critical feminists on here are gender conforming but that doesn't change the fact that we are adult human females.

Demi-sexuality is somewhat midway on the pansexual-asexual spectrum in that a demi-sexual person can be content without sex but is also happy to have sex with a sexual partner

Thats described the vast majority of my female friends

Yep, gender conforming is a tool of the patriarchy but in my experience it was the girls that got more wound up about it.

I got to get the worst of both worlds from boys and girls - guess that makes me good at multitasking.

Mind you, labels have their places but they don't define everything. They are useful - I do feel better since my AS diagnosis at 37.

I think it was on IFLS Science but sexologist suspect that most women are actually on the gay/asexual spectrum rather than heterosexual.

We lost so much data when the Berlin Institute of Sexology had is library burnt by the Nazis - that is the iconic video of burning books often associated with Nazi history.

No it's not a women only forum. More's the pity. I spend my working days listening to mediocre men bleating their opinions; it's a shame it happens on Mumsnet too but I'm well aware that men are very uncomfortable with women only spaces.

Clymene I think I love you.

It really is startlingly evident how uncomfortable many men are with women only spaces, isn’t it. 90% of the pie isn’t enough for them, is it; no, they want the whole 100%, and they must have it.

She talks out of her arse anyway so this is not a surprise.

This is a useful place to see how most NT people view people like me - I suppose I am privalidged to get this since I had an overdose of that in my shitty Midlands town in the midst of Brexitland.

It is possible to be wrong and be lacking data - I'm wrong almost as a job discription. But being open to this means I can be a bit less wrong next time and get useful work done.

I also sort of suck at spelling

And all this bollocks about English isn’t Greta’s first language so maybe she didn’t get the implications of saying “gender”, FFS - look at the whole picture.

She posted a pic of herself wearing a trans hat with this tweet.
She used the word “people” instead of “women”.
She’s 19 and wearing a trans symbol hat: of course she’s perfectly aware of the gender id debate, and what “gender” means in this context.

She wanted to mean that. She was making a clear statement.

It’s sad to see yet another young woman so captured by this ideology, thinking she’s doing feminism when in reality she’s just reinforcing the same old patriarchal values as ever. Really sad.

so how is it reinforcing patriarchy? I thought that patriarchy hated people being people - they need boxes and heirarchies even when you don't need them.

I'm oxk with single sex spaces for instance - but they are the exceptions ideally, not the rule.
There is also something that some TRAs conveniently ignore - like the weaponization of transexualty in places like Iran where gay men and women have had to chose between forced transitioning or death since their behaviour is against the patriarchy.

People are people first, sex and gender later. More like I want to be judged on the content of my character and my actions rather that I'm a woman.
The misery of hanging out with boys only to have people thinking I'm mentally picking out a wedding dress and a venue.

So fuck the patriarchy - again! Also fuck NT supremacy.

@RoaringtoLangClegintheDark

No it's not a women only forum. More's the pity. I spend my working days listening to mediocre men bleating their opinions; it's a shame it happens on Mumsnet too but I'm well aware that men are very uncomfortable with women only spaces.

Clymene I think I love you.

It really is startlingly evident how uncomfortable many men are with women only spaces, isn’t it. 90% of the pie isn’t enough for them, is it; no, they want the whole 100%, and they must have it.

Right back at you