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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does anyone else cringe at the word "diversity"?

281 replies

SunniDelite · 26/02/2022 12:26

I had this email from someone on Crowdfunder...
"I am raising funds for the Lenny Henry Centre for Media Diversity at Birmingham City University.
In the last year, the centre has revealed the racism and prejudice actors face when they go auditions and, for the first time, exposed the lack of gender diversity of sound recordists. We're now building programmes to address this problem. So far, our research has highlighted specific problems for disabled people working in the industry and created more job opportunities for Black people behind the camera. Additionally, we are working with major broadcasters to change how they report on race, gender and disability."
I have no problem with the race and disability part, but what on earth does "lack of gender diversity of sound recordists" mean? That there aren't enough women? or that there aren't enough blue-hairs who can't decide what they are? or there aren't enough transwomen?
It's come to a point where I'm suspicious that any organisation that mentions diversity is a TRA, even if they're talking about hedgehog populations! :)

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Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:14

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I'm not "refusing to see". I think the idea that a particular group of male people have the same "gender identity" as women absurd. I simply don't believe it, because it's not true.
Again, how is this so different from refusing to believe that a gay couple can form the same "bond of marriage" as a straight couple because the latter can conceive children without external intervention and the former cannot?

It is the same sentiment, persistently clinging to one's own simplistic and reductive idea of "biological reality" and trying to use it to mandate how others should live their lives.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2022 15:14

Trans people are the oppressed group, and cis people are the oppressor group.

I don't believe in innate gender identity so this framing is completely meaningless to me, as I explained.

JudgeJ · 28/02/2022 15:15

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I personally do not see how this is all that different from seeing the inclusion of black people as "disadvantaging" white people

Your lazy analogy is completely back to front. Women, ie female people, oppressed by males for millennia are the "black people" and males are the "white" ones. The oppressor group. Try to get it right.

Well done for ticking so many boxes with your utter rubbish.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2022 15:16

Because there's absolutely nothing from trans activists about mandating how others live their lives.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2022 15:17

Well done for ticking so many boxes with your utter rubbish.

What boxes are those? I didn't bring up race, your cobeliever in genderism did.

stripeyflowers · 28/02/2022 15:18

I'm really looking forward to the day when someone refers to me as a 'cis woman' to my face, rather than what I actually am, which is a woman.

Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:19

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Because there's absolutely nothing from trans activists about mandating how others live their lives.
Correct, there is not. Aside from not getting to discriminate against people on the basis of their sex or gender, no "trans activist" will mandate how you should be live your life.

You can be any kind of man, woman, or non-binary person you want to be, whichever you want to be, live your life however you want. Just be respectful towards others, that's all.

And no, nothing will "make" you trans if you don't want it to.

Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:20

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Trans people are the oppressed group, and cis people are the oppressor group.

I don't believe in innate gender identity so this framing is completely meaningless to me, as I explained.

See the follow up.

“Those who deviated from their assigned gender categories have always been oppressed in comparison to those who did not.”

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2022 15:21

Not sure which part of "completely meaningless" you're finding hard to grasp?

TinselAngel · 28/02/2022 15:24

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Because there's absolutely nothing from trans activists about mandating how others live their lives.
They all seem to have an opinion on how trans widows should live our lives.
Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:25

Alright, you sure have made it pretty clear that the oppression of those unlike yourself is completely meaningless to you.

SamphiretheStickerist · 28/02/2022 15:28

Ah! Yes. Just as you @Lekisa658 have shown great determination to ignore some simple questions.

That's one of the joys of this place. It is so very easy to see who is not actually engaging at all. Who prefers to make some really odd analogies. Who can't actually enter into a proper discussion.

My thanks to you for all your hard work!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2022 15:28

They all seem to have an opinion on how trans widows should live our lives.

Indeed.

SamphiretheStickerist · 28/02/2022 15:29

They all seem to have an opinion on how trans widows should live our lives.

Yes, indeed they do!

Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:30

“They all seem to have an opinion on how trans widows should live our lives.”

Such as?

If you are no longer happy with your partner, nor intent on supporting or respecting them, just divorce. No need to stay in a relationship in which neither party will be happy.

That's the only "opinion" I have.

If you expect the trans spouse to repress themself for cis spouse's convenience, that's where you are imposing yourself on them.

SamphiretheStickerist · 28/02/2022 15:31

And in that you show just how uninformed you are!

Or how willingly blind!

Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:32

Also "trans widow" is a really gross term. Your partner is still alive. That you no longer love them or don't wish to continue your relationship with them doesn't make you a "widow".

TinselAngel · 28/02/2022 15:32

@Lekisa658

“They all seem to have an opinion on how trans widows should live our lives.”

Such as?

If you are no longer happy with your partner, nor intent on supporting or respecting them, just divorce. No need to stay in a relationship in which neither party will be happy.

That's the only "opinion" I have.

If you expect the trans spouse to repress themself for cis spouse's convenience, that's where you are imposing yourself on them.

No I'm not debating that. Do your own reading.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2022 15:33

Ah, what is "deadnaming"?

Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:33

@SamphiretheStickerist

And in that you show just how uninformed you are!

Or how willingly blind!

Elaborate?
SamphiretheStickerist · 28/02/2022 15:36

@Lekisa658

Also "trans widow" is a really gross term. Your partner is still alive. That you no longer love them or don't wish to continue your relationship with them doesn't make you a "widow".
Again. You have absolutely no idea what you have leaped into.

I am actually embarrassed for you. You are seemingly bereft of knowledge regarding ongoing court cases, mooted changes to legislation, lobbying, etc etc.

Maybe you could read around. Find out what it is that you do not know.

Many if us have been in the same position. Some of us didn't even name change when the penny dropped!

KittenKong · 28/02/2022 15:36

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Ah, what is "deadnaming"?
Billy says his name is now Mary. Someone refers to Billy as Billy.
Lekisa658 · 28/02/2022 15:36

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Ah, what is "deadnaming"?
A "dead name" (meaning a name that's no longer in use) isn't the same as a dead person.

Again, it's so gross to treat trans people this way.

Do you believe in "gay widows" when the spouse turns out to be gay, too?

SamphiretheStickerist · 28/02/2022 15:36

Elaborate?

Do some research!

TinselAngel · 28/02/2022 15:37

Do you believe in "gay widows" when the spouse turns out to be gay, too?
The trans widows have been on FWR for a long time. We don't have to justify ourselves to newcomers.

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