Does anyone else cringe at the word "diversity"?

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I had this email from someone on Crowdfunder...
"I am raising funds for the Lenny Henry Centre for Media Diversity at Birmingham City University.
In the last year, the centre has revealed the racism and prejudice actors face when they go auditions and, for the first time, exposed the lack of gender diversity of sound recordists. We're now building programmes to address this problem. So far, our research has highlighted specific problems for disabled people working in the industry and created more job opportunities for Black people behind the camera. Additionally, we are working with major broadcasters to change how they report on race, gender and disability."
I have no problem with the race and disability part, but what on earth does "lack of gender diversity of sound recordists" mean? That there aren't enough women? or that there aren't enough blue-hairs who can't decide what they are? or there aren't enough transwomen?
It's come to a point where I'm suspicious that any organisation that mentions diversity is a TRA, even if they're talking about hedgehog populations! :)

Good grief, I hadn't realised that our brand new poster was all over so many threads

As the OP pointed out earlier upthread:

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lekisa

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@Lekisa658 a scenario... your elderly mum requests women help her wash in a care home and reports that Brian has been touching her. If Brian tells you it's ok as this week he feels like a woman, do Brian's rights to touch your mum's body, trump your mum's rights to request Brian doesn't?

My grandma would have has their head on a spike. Anyone trying to tell her that nurse X is a woman and that nurse X would be attending to her intimate care would have had a walking stick thrown at her (her usual display of displeasure). And probably treated to a barrage of high sarcasm and insults.

She was not someone you’d want to try to pull one over, my grandma. She was a Geordie nurse in London during the blitz… definitely nerves of steel.

[quote Enough4me]@Lekisa658 a scenario... your elderly mum requests women help her wash in a care home and reports that Brian has been touching her. If Brian tells you it's ok as this week he feels like a woman, do Brian's rights to touch your mum's body, trump your mum's rights to request Brian doesn't?[/quote]
Do you think every trans woman is Brian, and that Brian is every trans woman? Have you considered you might simply get a different woman to help, whether cis or trans?

And that a different trans woman is not an inherent risk, and the only reason you think any trans woman would be a risk by default is because you're a prejudiced asshole?

@KittenKong mine would be the same, but would @Lekisa658's nan be told by her to STFU and close your eyes as Brian is a woman this week?

@Lekisa658 so you wouldn't want to listen to your nan over Brian then?

Let's say "Brian" is a cis woman named Jessica instead. Does the inappropriate touching suddenly become okay then?

Or is it the inappropriate touching that's the problem, rather than the sex of the person doing it? And that you can just sack the individual doing it, instead of formenting prejudice against an entire group?

It's any touching by a man @Lekisa658, when your nn said no man is permitted to touch her. Jessica is not a man, you explained this yourself. If Jessica touches inappropriately that also needs to be reported, but regular touching (washing) is permitted as your nan has approved this...as she has women's rights for sex-selected care.

And this is where my repeated requests for studies and facts brings us.

In the UK, males commit 98% of sex offences. This has been consistent for quite some time.

Please front up the evidence by way of statistics of current prisoners in the UK or studies that show that transitioned males commit sex crime at a reduced rate compared to 'all males'.

Your endless baseless assertions are really not convincing anyone and if you cannot back it up with evidence, please stop making those claims.

There is a reason that females have particular safeguarding needs that consider the risks of males. All males.

@Lekisa658

Let's say "Brian" is a cis woman named Jessica instead. Does the inappropriate touching suddenly become okay then?

Or is it the inappropriate touching that's the problem, rather than the sex of the person doing it? And that you can just sack the individual doing it, instead of formenting prejudice against an entire group?

There is no such thing as c** - and you know that word is viewed as an insult to many, so as a courtesy, please don’t.

As a woman, no I don’t want a male doing intimate care or exams, especially one who is looking me on the eye and denying basic biology. These aren’t the ‘be kind bears’ and don’t seem to like women very much.

@Enough4me

It's any touching by a man *@Lekisa658*, when your nn said no man is permitted to touch her. Jessica is not a man, you explained this yourself. If Jessica touches inappropriately that also needs to be reported, but regular touching (washing) is permitted as your nan has approved this...as she has women's rights for sex-selected care.

It's honestly disturbing that you have to get all creepy and personal about this nonsense.

Do not speak of my mother. Not in your questions, not in your hypothetical scenarios. You are not entitled to use the image of my mother for your transphobic bullshit.

“There is no such thing as c** - and you know that word is viewed as an insult to many, so as a courtesy, please don’t.”

I'll stop using "cis" as soon as you stop saying "transwoman" instead of "trans woman" and stop referring to trans women as "men"/"male".

Meaning never.

You can go ahead and mentally substitute "cis" for "biological" or "natal" if you need to, but I will not do that for you.

It's considered deliberately goady to call unwilling women "cis" here on the feminist board of mumsnet, it's even mentioned in the talk guidelines, so don't be surprised if your post is reported and/or deleted.

And it doesn't exactly chime with respect for peoples identities, does it? Practice what you preach.

You can go ahead and mentally substitute "cis" for "biological" or "natal" if you need to, but I will not do that for you.

I'll be removing it entirely, mentally, because it's meaningless in-group speak, and woman doesn't need a sex-based qualifier.

As a woman, no I don’t want a male doing intimate care or exams, especially one who is looking me on the eye and denying basic biology.

It's amazing how difficult people find this simple statement of boundaries to grasp, even when they don't agree.

@Lekisa658

“There is no such thing as c** - and you know that word is viewed as an insult to many, so as a courtesy, please don’t.”

I'll stop using "cis" as soon as you stop saying "transwoman" instead of "trans woman" and stop referring to trans women as "men"/"male".

Meaning never.

You can go ahead and mentally substitute "cis" for "biological" or "natal" if you need to, but I will not do that for you.

Actually, you are misgendering people and MNHQ have clearly stated that the continuation of doing so will result in deletion.

So, by all means, continue to use the word when describing posters here who have asked you to stop using it. Transwoman is not considered to be outside the guidelines however. And if you wish to, you can discuss it with them as I am sure many trans activists have in the past.

And that a different trans woman is not an inherent risk, and the only reason you think any trans woman would be a risk by default

They aren't any more or less a "risk by default" than any other male person.

And that a different trans woman is not an inherent risk, and the only reason you think any trans woman would be a risk by default

They aren't any more or less a "risk by default" than any other male person.

Shhhh! Eresh, you are stating inconvenient truths. The next 'look there is a squirrel' post will be coming along soon. I doubt any discussion will address any requests for evidence.

And perhaps some posters are quite unaware just how many readers read these threads after either being directed to 'educate' themselves or because they realise that something is not quite as it is being presented by trans activists.

Those readers are very much getting their fill of the inane arguments and points being used by extreme trans activist posters on these threads today.

And perhaps some posters are quite unaware just how many readers read these threads after either being directed to 'educate' themselves or because they realise that something is not quite as it is being presented by trans activists.

Those readers are very much getting their fill of the inane arguments and points being used by extreme trans activist posters on these threads today.

TRAs don't call the site a "radicalisation portal" for nothing.

@Lekisa658

“There is no such thing as c** - and you know that word is viewed as an insult to many, so as a courtesy, please don’t.”

I'll stop using "cis" as soon as you stop saying "transwoman" instead of "trans woman" and stop referring to trans women as "men"/"male".

Meaning never.

You can go ahead and mentally substitute "cis" for "biological" or "natal" if you need to, but I will not do that for you.

Sorry but I’m old school, and used to go to gay clubs where it was transvestites and transsexuals.

But a single space between trans and woman really causes such despair?

So why do I need to be called what is a slur?

@Lekisa658 I care that all women can ask for same sex care in healthcare settings. That includes your mum. Call me names, but I'm the one considering her rights. Why can't your mum come first?

When my kids were at middle school, I was surprised to learn that children upset other children by insulting their mums. I actually laughed when I was told that some brat had insulted me to upset my daughter. Just said "He doesn't even know me!" They could even just say "Your Mum..." and leave it at that.
I just wonder how old Lekisa is that they get upset when we mention their mum (who is 100% a woman, whether they like it or not) ....

@Lekisa658

Are you really, honestly, truly ignorant of the fact that sex crimes, all of them, are committed by men in nearly 99% of the cases. And statistically men who call themselves transwomen are overrepresented in prison in terms of sex crimes.

Does that mean that all transwomen are predators? No. In the same way that not all men are. Does that mean that only men are, including those who identify as women? 99% of the time, yes.

Sex crimes, violent crimes, predatory crimes are overwhelmingly committed by men, including those who identify as women.

You getting all outraged about it is a little bit silly.

A transwomen who insists they are a woman and therefore can give intimate care to a woman, despite the fact that she's asked for a female, is already happy to violate her boundaries.

Women encounter these sorts of males, all the time. All the bloody time.

Which is why sex segregation is important under certain circumstances, and it must be based on sex.