Don’t bother applying for a job if you think people can’t change sex, NHS trust tells health official

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uk.news.yahoo.com/don-t-bother-applying-job-162233187.html

The wonderful Kate Grimes expressed interest in a non-exec position at the Tavi this year and was told to not waste her time as she holds gender critical beliefs. Peter Daly has been employed. Wow!

@Lekisa658

“We won't be changing how we define ourselves”

The problem isn't about how you define yourselves, the problem is that you insist that it's you have a "right" to define and restrict others.

If we have no right to define and restrict others, that also applies to you.

You have no right to call women 'cis' which implies an acceptance of and identification with gender stereotypes.

We define 'woman' as 'adult female human'. Males can never be women (or female, obviously).

If males start defining themselves as women that affects actual women (of the adult female human variety). So I hope you will now respect our right to define ourselves and stop saying that males can be women.

“Can we have a "non trans" "non cis" identity label please?”

"Cis" literally means "non-trans".

This is like not taking the Covid vaccine and asking for a label that is neither "vaccinated" nor "unvaccinated".

“There is this thing called society, Lekisa, that has to work for everyone, and balance everyone's rights.”

There was once a time where the majority of white people felt strongly they had a right to separate spaces from those who weren't white, and opposed the push to change that.

The other groups, they argued, were more dangerous and statistically committed more violent crime, and were a threat to vulnerable white children.

How do you feel that should've been "balanced"? Was it making white people "support humans" and infringing on their "rights" to force them to include those who weren't white?

Was it unfair to white athletes to force them to compete against non-white athletes, taking away their rightful prizes?

“You have no right to call women 'cis' which implies an acceptance of and identification with gender stereotypes.”

It doesn't.

The one and only thing "cis" implies is that you were designated female at birth, and call yourself a woman.

That's it. Nothing else. There's no any other "implication". Anything else is entirely imagined on your part.

Here we go again with the back to front, inaccurate analogies.

Lekisa, single sex changing rooms aren't apartheid. It's so girls and women don't have to be exposed to men's cocks. It's really not complicated or controversial.

Males have oppressed female people through history, not the other way round. The patriarchy hasn't gone anywhere, this is yet another way women are dismissed.

No baby is "designated" anything at birth. The sex of a baby is simply observed.

You want to force trans women to conform to the role of a "man", no matter how miserable or suicidal it makes them.

Isn't the role of a man to, basically, be a sperm producer? Carry round a prostate? I mean, apart from being male, which is what makes a man, a man, is this whole 'role of a man' thing?

Genuinely confused as to your point. Are you saying that if a female transitions to be a man, then they cannot ever assume a role of a woman which basically means no trans man can ever gestate children?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Here we go again with the back to front, inaccurate analogies.

“The form of discrimination I support is different from the other forms of discrimination, in that the form of discrimination I support is actually good, because it's the form of discrimination I support. ”

The one and only thing "cis" implies is that you were designated female at birth, and call yourself a woman.

If you are female and an adult, you are a woman. Not a 'cis woman'. All women are female. 'Transwomen' are male, therefore they are not women.

This is like not taking the Covid vaccine and asking for a label that is neither "vaccinated" nor "unvaccinated".

Yes, you said that already. It's nonsense, because if "cis" just meant trans, I wouldn't be required to buy into your ideological worldview, which I don't. A "trans woman" and a "cis woman" would both be of the sex which produces large gametes. Female.

if "cis" just meant not* trans

“The form of discrimination I support is different from the other forms of discrimination, in that the form of discrimination I support is actually good, because it's the form of discrimination I support. ”

Coming from someone who advocates gender-based discrimination, for no obvious reason.

The problem isn't about how you define yourselves, the problem is that you insist that it's you have a "right" to define and restrict others.

The one and only thing "cis" implies is that you were designated female at birth, and call yourself a woman.

Do you not see the contradiction here @Lekisa658?

You do not have a right to define me. I am not 'cis'.

@fruitbat987

No baby is "designated" anything at birth. The sex of a baby is simply observed.

The only thing that's being observed is the genitals. The categories are assigned based on what genitals are observed.

A vaccine is a material thing. You take it or you don't. Gender identity ideology is not a material thing, it's a particularly biased worldview that I don't subscribe to.

@OldCrone

The one and only thing "cis" implies is that you were designated female at birth, and call yourself a woman.

If you are female and an adult, you are a woman. Not a 'cis woman'. All women are female. 'Transwomen' are male, therefore they are not women.

Not one has to abide by your bioessentialist terminology and definitions.

The categories are assigned based on what genitals are observed.

Why are they generally "assigned" correctly? How is this knowledge gained to do this just by "observing the genitals"?

*No one

@AlisonDonut

You want to force trans women to conform to the role of a "man", no matter how miserable or suicidal it makes them.

Isn't the role of a man to, basically, be a sperm producer? Carry round a prostate? I mean, apart from being male, which is what makes a man, a man, is this whole 'role of a man' thing?

Genuinely confused as to your point. Are you saying that if a female transitions to be a man, then they cannot ever assume a role of a woman which basically means no trans man can ever gestate children?

Lekisa does seem to be advocating sterilisation for trans people in order to live in the 'role' of the opposite sex.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The categories are assigned based on what genitals are observed.

Why are they generally "assigned" correctly? How is this knowledge gained to do this just by "observing the genitals"?

What do you mean "correctly"? The categories themselves are made up by humans. And the existence of trans people shows that these categories are in fact often rejected.

@NecessaryScene

“The form of discrimination I support is different from the other forms of discrimination, in that the form of discrimination I support is actually good, because it's the form of discrimination I support. ”

Coming from someone who advocates gender-based discrimination, for no obvious reason.

Where did I advocate for such discrimination?

The categories themselves are made up by humans. And the existence of trans people shows that these categories are in fact often rejected.

What are you rejecting, exactly? If it's "made up", why not just change what it means?

Where did I advocate for such discrimination?

You insist that "women" gendered people should be kept apart from "men" gendered people.

So "transwomen" should not compete against "men" in sport, for example.