Don’t bother applying for a job if you think people can’t change sex, NHS trust tells health official

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uk.news.yahoo.com/don-t-bother-applying-job-162233187.html

The wonderful Kate Grimes expressed interest in a non-exec position at the Tavi this year and was told to not waste her time as she holds gender critical beliefs. Peter Daly has been employed. Wow!

Can anyone remember the weetabix recipe?

Personally I think it's really rude, privileged, ableist and gatekeeping to hold the knowledge about how to find out whether you are a man or woman, and refuse to tell people who ask. Exclusionary, unkind and discriminating.

Gumbomambo

WBH? is that really necessary?

@OldCrone

Saying you are a woman is identifying as a woman.

How can I find out whether I am a woman or a man (or both or neither) @Lekisa658?

I need a definition of what a woman is so that I know whether I am one. Can you help?

Nah, not really feeling up for it. Since I know I'd be wasting my time breaking down a complex subject for nothing, only for you to pigeon-chess it.

@Lekisa658

Excluding trans women is discrimination. It's really that simple. "Sex-based" discrimination is discrimination, even if you agree with it.

And I can repeat my post from upthread:

However, you DO realise that discrimination is not always negative. And that females require discrimination to be enacted for their safety, for fairness in sports, and because sometimes job roles require a female person or a male person in cases when sex matters. Plus, discrimination is also required for situations where one group is being recognised for their achievements, in overcoming past discrimination. Such as for people of a particular ethnicity or race in a particular country. Or for rewarding children for instance. Or for rewarding a person with a disability.

It still doesn't mean that a male should be treated as a female where it counts.

So, YES!! Absolutely males will be excluded when it is recognised to cause harm to females.

Not sure why you think that is controversial.

No transitioned male should even be included in an award that has been set up to advance females (of whatever gender) in situations where they have in the past experienced sexist discrimination that has meant their achievements are not given the same value as males.

And I don't care what age that male is. Even a male child being raised now has had some benefits that female children have not had, sometimes due to peer group pressure. Only someone who is determinedly blind to this or lives in utopia (not the UK) can deny this.

Again, it is not controversial.

Trans people experience different discrimination and they absolutely need their own protections to rectify this. If they are not female, they should be excluded where it matters.

@bishophaha

Personally I think it's really rude, privileged, ableist and gatekeeping to hold the knowledge about how to find out whether you are a man or woman, and refuse to tell people who ask. Exclusionary, unkind and discriminating.

There is a lot of information online, about signs of gender dysphoria, if you actually care to look for it in good faith.

Which we both know you don't.

Nah, not really feeling up for it. Since I know I'd be wasting my time breaking down a complex subject for nothing, only for you to pigeon-chess it.

I would bet my house that you're not going to produce anything which makes sense outside of your internet bubble of gender ideologues.

I repeat my previous point

They never can!! They suddenly 'don't feel like it' or 'don't believe they need to' or 'my girlfriend goes to another school'.

I'm never proven wrong on this.

And yet- we're all disgusting bigots if we don't subscribe to the definition they are unable to don't feel like providing.

There is a lot of information online, about signs of gender dysphoria

How would that tell her whether she is a woman or a man? What are the criteria?

There is a lot of information online, about signs of gender dysphoria, if you actually care to look for it in good faith.

Which we both know you don't.

Incorrect.

I didn't ask about gender dysphoria, as we both know. I asked how to find out if I'm a man or a woman. Didn't you realise?

Nah, not really feeling up for it.

Oh! Do you need a lie down?

Since I know I'd be wasting my time breaking down a complex subject for nothing,

You really mean you have no idea what you have been asked, your thoughts are in a whirl, you've lost track of what it was you were asserting.

only for you to pigeon-chess it.

If you actually understood what pigeon chess is you would have phrased that quite differently.

Identifying as something means you are not that thing or you would not need to identify as it.
Identifying with something means you are not that thing either.

There is a lot of information online, about signs of gender dysphoria, if you actually care to look for it in good faith.

Which we both know you don't.

And again, this is where your very entrenched prejudice is leading you to make false accusations. Quite frankly, many of us try to read widely and extensively on the issue. From original sources. We don't resort to 'safe' interpretations that are so often misrepresented.

So, your continued refusal for evidence, peer reviewed papers and statistics is merely an indication that you don't read widely, extensively and from original sources.

Nothing new here.

I remember the Weetabix 'Any-Which-Way-A-Bix' campaign with a shudder. Who spreads jam on weetabix and eats it like toast? Bleugh.

They never can!! They suddenly 'don't feel like it' or 'don't believe they need to' or 'my girlfriend goes to another school'.

It's obvious to anyone reading that certain people don't have anything to make a reasoned case that isn't based on entitled demands and foot stamping melodrama. Not just here, any time they get put on the spot and expected to drop the slogans and mantras and name calling and make some kind of real world sense.

I'm still minded that plurality of thought and perspective is essential to posts such as those in the OP

I'm more firmly convinced of this after seeing some of the poor quality critical thinking from posters who have chosen to favour immersive fiction as a basis for healthcare. On the wider point of fairness, I'm disappointed by the perspective that feminists or people with gender critical analytical skillsets are superfluous to requirements in some service delivery settings.

I remember the Weetabix 'Any-Which-Way-A-Bix' campaign with a shudder. Who spreads jam on weetabix and eats it like toast? Bleugh.

Yes, and "the Weetabix Week" where you had to have a different topping each day for a week. As if that was a thing.

If you actually understood what pigeon chess is you would have phrased that quite differently.

They're just repeating what someone else said to them, I think on another thread. Even though it doesn't really make sense that way. Not much original thought, but quite typical.

And how they usually forgot to include someone actually eating the hot milk version...

... I could have cried!

@bishophaha

I repeat my previous point

They never can!! They suddenly 'don't feel like it' or 'don't believe they need to' or 'my girlfriend goes to another school'.

I'm never proven wrong on this.

And yet- we're all disgusting bigots if we don't subscribe to the definition they are unable to don't feel like providing.

"Woman" is a socially constructed gender identity. Usually comes with feminine terms, names, pronouns.

There, that's the definition, there's even an automated bot on Twitter to provide this information on demand. But it's totally that you've "never heard the definition", and not that you deliberately plug your ears whenever you do.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

If you actually understood what pigeon chess is you would have phrased that quite differently.

They're just repeating what someone else said to them, I think on another thread. Even though it doesn't really make sense that way. Not much original thought, but quite typical.

I have given myself an earworm with the 'your thoughts are in a whirl' comment.

Bloody Bowie, gets everywhere!

Woman... I can hardly express...

Ooh, Weetabix! I haven't had that for ages- just milk and a sprinkle of brown sugar. A favourite of my Mum , who was 100% female, like everyone's mum.....

There, that's the definition, there's even an automated bot on Twitter to provide this information on demand

Yes, a TRA wrote it so it's hardly objective.

automated bot on Twitter to provide this information on demand.

I believe those unsophisticated bots with no consciousness or awareness of what they distribute around Twitter would as happily assert that the world exists on the back of a turtle and that thunderstorms indicate the wrath of [insert your own favoured mythology] dieties.

Nobody is denying that immersive fictions are powerful or that bots can be programmed to scatter them around conversations on various platforms.