Don’t bother applying for a job if you think people can’t change sex, NHS trust tells health official

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uk.news.yahoo.com/don-t-bother-applying-job-162233187.html

The wonderful Kate Grimes expressed interest in a non-exec position at the Tavi this year and was told to not waste her time as she holds gender critical beliefs. Peter Daly has been employed. Wow!

'Cis' is a religious term that goes with the 'gender' belief system. Under this belief we all have a soul that 'matches' stereotypes associated with either male or female sex in the early 21st centuary western cultures which are called 'gender'. 'Cis' women therefore have a 'gendered soul' that matches or identifies with the 'gender' (sex stereotypes previously) attributed to females. Therefore in order to be a 'cis woman' you must believe in a gendered soul means you identify with the things that oppress women (because if you didn't you wouldn't be a cis woman you would be a trans man).

As I do not believe in gendered souls and consider myself oppressed by gender and therefore definitely do not identify with it. I reject cos utterly and am offended by any who call me it.

@Lekisa658

“Can we have a "non trans" "non cis" identity label please?”

"Cis" literally means "non-trans".

This is like not taking the Covid vaccine and asking for a label that is neither "vaccinated" nor "unvaccinated".

Cis is a Latin prefix which means 'on this side of'. It is used (correctly) in scientific research to describe chemical bonds. It was co-opted (incorrectly) by social researchers in around 1994 as an antonym for trans.

The term cis used in respect to gender is made up nonsense. I see anti woman posters insist that 'Cis literally means non-trans' all the time. It doesn't.

You can insist that women be forced to refer to themselves by a made up nonsensical term as much as you like.

No.

@Waitwhat23
You're no different from a homophobe protesting against "straight" and "heterosexual" because "it's just called being normal, the gays/transes are just deviant weirdos!"

"On the same side of" is a perfectly accurate description for your self-identification in relation to the category assigned at birth.

[quote Lekisa658]@Waitwhat23
You're no different from a homophobe protesting against "straight" and "heterosexual" because "it's just called being normal, the gays/transes are just deviant weirdos!"

"On the same side of" is a perfectly accurate description for your self-identification in relation to the category assigned at birth.[/quote]
It is not because women are on the 'same side' as what? Gender? we do not identify with nor are we on the same side as that regressive bunch of oppressive stereotypes

WOMAN already means "non trans". By virtue of not being trans.
We are just women, adult human females.

We don't need another word.

Are you saying that lesbians who also reject the CIS term are homophobes?

"“It is not because women are on the 'same side' as what? Gender?”^

Identification. Your gender identity is the same as assigned at birth.

“we do not identify with nor are we on the same side as that regressive bunch of oppressive stereotypes”

You do identify as a woman, which is a gender identity. Nothing to do with stereotypes. Just identity.

@Lekisa658 you have, on this thread and on the many others you have posted upon, denied the very existence of same sex attraction. It's not me that's the appalling homophobe.

I'm a woman. Not a sub set of my own sex category. Stamp your feet as much as you like, women aren't up for you labelling them with a made up, nonsense term.

On the same side of" is a perfectly accurate description for your self-identification in relation to the category assigned at birth

Stamp, stamp, stamp.
.

[quote Waitwhat23]@Lekisa658 you have, on this thread and on the many others you have posted upon, denied the very existence of same sex attraction. It's not me that's the appalling homophobe.

I'm a woman. Not a sub set of my own sex category. Stamp your feet as much as you like, women aren't up for you labelling them with a made up, nonsense term.

On the same side of" is a perfectly accurate description for your self-identification in relation to the category assigned at birth

Stamp, stamp, stamp.
.[/quote]
Agreed.
It always amazes me how much these people HATE women and everything we are, yet at the same time want to "identify" as them (whatever the hell that means).

It must be very confusing for them. Poor souls.

So. Just more ad hominem attacks? No discussion about the many excellent points as to why people who don't believe that a person can change sex should be employed in senior positions in the Tavistock if they have the relevant skills.

And no discussion about the very fact that a NHS trust needs to be improving its health care on offer to trans people. Or that people who believe that sex cannot be changed are already working with trans people to provide a high standard of care.

Just personal attacks.

Careful, now, your male anger is showing. And your male entitlement.

@Lekisa658

"“It is not because women are on the 'same side' as what? Gender?”^

Identification. Your gender identity is the same as assigned at birth.

“we do not identify with nor are we on the same side as that regressive bunch of oppressive stereotypes”

You do identify as a woman, which is a gender identity. Nothing to do with stereotypes. Just identity.

We do not “identify as women”; we soimply are women. Adult, human, female ina way that Transwomen are not and can never be by virtue of being transwomen.

But you know this and this whole thread is looking increasingly like pigeon tennis.

And there's certainly one person spouting incoherent bullshit on this thread, and its not me.
You're the one who believes in the gender fairy.

Don't you have a flat earth meeting to go to? Off you pop.

@RVN123

Careful, now, your male anger is showing. And your male entitlement.

As we know, women never get annoyed, angry, or impatient. That's just not feminine. Teehee!

There's only one person on this thread who has stooped to calling people names. I'll give you a clue, it's not a woman.

Or, is it that some posters don't really have anything too add except their constant prejudiced posts that use false comparators and false analogies. That they realise that any longer posts that proffer nuanced thinking would not actually stand up to scrutiny and would lack statistics and evidence.

That is all they have.

Name calling, false analogies, false comparators, misrepresenting feminist perspective (and maybe even trans people's perspective from what we are assured by other trans people), demonisation and monstering.

I do hope they will return with some evidence to back up their endlessly empty claims. It will make for something out of the usual.

But I expect we will remain disappointed.

Yes I expect we will.

@RVN123

There's only one person on this thread who has stooped to calling people names. I'll give you a clue, it's not a woman.

Yeeaaah, totally no name-calling here:

“Careful, now, your male anger is showing. And your male entitlement.”

The constant personal attacks are coming rather thick and fast on these threads at the moment.

Careful wims.

Some posters are not able to come back with well structured and evidenced post so continue to resort to ad hom and some very personal attacks.

Except you, inherently, ARE a subset. And I'll say it again.

Women aren't a subset of women though. FTM trans people and female non binary identitied people are a subset. Because women just means an adult human of the female sex. No more, no less. It literally has no meaning without the existence of the female sex. It's not a value judgement either negative or positive. It's not a value judgement on the cohort of males who are MTF or non binary either.

Sadly male anger and male entitlement aren’t insults or name-calling, rather a recognition of a fundamental part of many of our lives.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Or, is it that some posters don't really have anything too add except their constant prejudiced posts that use false comparators and false analogies. That they realise that any longer posts that proffer nuanced thinking would not actually stand up to scrutiny and would lack statistics and evidence.

That is all they have.

Name calling, false analogies, false comparators, misrepresenting feminist perspective (and maybe even trans people's perspective from what we are assured by other trans people), demonisation and monstering.

I do hope they will return with some evidence to back up their endlessly empty claims. It will make for something out of the usual.

But I expect we will remain disappointed.

Yes I expect we will.

You're the ones who make up fictional scenarios to vilify trans people, you are the ones arguing trans women should be excluded from everything to do with women on the basis of your prejudices against them.

It is not unreasonable to be "prejudiced" against what has shown itself, time and timeagain, to be nothing but an anti-trans hate group.

@Lekisa658

"“It is not because women are on the 'same side' as what? Gender?”^

Identification. Your gender identity is the same as assigned at birth.

“we do not identify with nor are we on the same side as that regressive bunch of oppressive stereotypes”

You do identify as a woman, which is a gender identity. Nothing to do with stereotypes. Just identity.

But I don't identify as anything. I am me. An individual with my own personality. My sex is female, I am a woman. At birth, way back in the 60s my genitalia were seen and my sex recognised as female. These days I am sure a scan in early pregnancy would have revealed my sex.

You need to stop talking such twaddle.

Mostly though you need to stop telling women who they are and what they think what simultaneously telling them that they must respect what some men say they are.

Can you not see the ridiculous nature of your fatuous argument?

@Helleofabore

The constant personal attacks are coming rather thick and fast on these threads at the moment.

Careful wims.

Some posters are not able to come back with well structured and evidenced post so continue to resort to ad hom and some very personal attacks.

You literally kept making inappropriate inquiries about my mother, and made up fictional scenarios written to paint trans women as sexual predators.