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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK Physios

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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

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Calyx72 · 10/04/2024 20:33

stealtheatingtunnocks · 10/04/2024 14:00

Who has seen the Cass Report? Is it time the CSP removed Mermaids from our site and criticising members for having concerns about the gender and its impacts?

Absolutely. I haven't had a chance to read it yet other than the key points in the media and X but if it's the well put together review I expect it is then physiotherapy, nursing, midwives, social work etc etc - schools and everything else - needs to take notice and reverse the 'affirm or lose your job' stance

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RadFiz · 10/04/2024 20:53

Is Mermaids on their website? I didn’t think it was. Just a few links to Stonewall.

Anklesprainssuck · 11/04/2024 17:30

Physio here. What the hell? Does the CSP have absolutely no political awareness and what is going on in the wider world?
Not impressed with this statement. UNISON is no better but I know a lot of physios changing to UNISON as it is cheaper and not feeling the professional support of the CSP. This is another motive to go somewhere cheaper.
What ever happened to clinical skills as a profession and putting the patient first? How much time, resources and effort have they spent on this? Don’t they realise we are a female dominated profession and women may want to voice concerns on behalf of themselves and their patients?
Do they not think we will be advocates for keeping female bays FEMALE? We have single side rooms for a reason. But no- we will be deemed transphobic to even question it ?!!
What a joke.
CSP- go read the Cass report, go read about Rachel Meade etc etc…
Sorry- rant over, keeping anonymised for the time being for obvious reasons.

Calyx72 · 11/04/2024 17:33

Welcome @Anklesprainssuck and yes, totally agree. Are Unison any less captured, do you know?

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RadFiz · 11/04/2024 18:03

The statement mentions the “Equalities Act”. What might that be? Are they not embarrassed to release something that wasn’t even checked or proofread?

JeannieDark · 11/04/2024 18:33

Anklesprainssuck · 11/04/2024 18:24

Colleague has sent me this - Elaine Miller, physio, calling out to others ( not sure if she is on this thread)
https://venusenvyxx.substack.com/p/transphobia-in-physiotherapy?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&s=08

She's aware of this thread and does read it sometimes.

VenusEnvyXX · 11/04/2024 18:36

Hi all, I've seen your thread off and on and I have been grateful for the support and wisdom here and on iCSP.

I am concerned about today's announcement (thanks, @RadFiz ) and want to explore whether the CSP would benefit from having it's own SEEN.

If you're not familiar with them, they are a balance to the LGBTQIA+ groups and can be formally recognised and eligible for funding and an equal footing as other network groups. Here's the civil service SEEN. Yesterday saw the launch of SEEN in education, there's one for journalism, police, HR, city, it seems like they are popping up like mushrooms.

I have been contacted by a number of people in the CSP, both staff and members, who share my concerns that this announcement misrepresents the law, defames members and manages to be both unnecessary and unclear.

I do not agree with Rob Yeldham, and previously, Karen Middleton, when they say that physiotherapy has a transphobia issue. If there is evidence of this I have not seen it.

I suspect that this work has been produced without consulting a lawyer as when it was announced it referred to the protected characteristics of sex and gender under the Human Rights Act. The HRA does not mention gender, gender reassignment is part of the exceptions to the 2010 Equality Act. I'm happy to see that this has since been corrected online.

The three definitions of transphobia come from our own online EDB glossary which appears to be C+P from Stonewall, one from TransActual and one from The National Education Union - all of whom are trans activists.

I have been through the disciplinary system, some of the accusations levied against me were that I was transphobic. The HCPC concluded that I was robust in my communications but not transphobic, everything was dropped with no case to answer. The CSP dropped all complaints with no case to answer and the complaints submitted to other bodies were not even considered worthy of examination.

It seems that people who are diametrically opposed to the view that sex is real and immutable are employed by and in positions of power and influence at our trade union. This is absolutely fine, it is important for a trade union to reflect its membership. I am uncomfortable with the views of activists forming policy without due process and debate. I hope to be wrong, but I suspect that might have happened in the formation of this CSP position statement.

It is difficult to speak up about these issues, people are scared of being accused of transphobia, and rightly so, the personal penalties can be high.

If you would be willing to share your views or insights with me then I'd be grateful. I'll make a dedicated thread and link it here. You can email me ([email protected]), message me on substack (@venusenvyxx) or on twitter (@gussiegrips). I can absolutely assure you of anonymity, I've got the hang of that by now.

I am proud to have had a long career in physio even if I have made a habit of upsetting some professional peers every few years. I'm confident we can fix this - it seems to me that this is little more than a training and communication issue, which, like sex, is not that complicated.

Thanks for reading all that and for standing up for professional standards. I'm glad you found each other and that Justine allows this corner of the site to plod along. Without it we'd be in dire straits.
bests
Elaine Miller

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-staff-networks/seen-network

VenusEnvyXX · 11/04/2024 18:42

RadFiz · 10/04/2024 20:53

Is Mermaids on their website? I didn’t think it was. Just a few links to Stonewall.

It's in the resources, @RadFiz

I did ask the CSP to reconsider when the Charities commission said they were looking at things.

In, I'm sure unrelated news, I recall the London Leathermen fundraising for Mermaids some time ago.

mermaids csp

New and updated resources

https://www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/new-updated-resources

VenusEnvyXX · 11/04/2024 18:47

As an aside - if you are looking for further union cover, Free Speech Union have been helpful to many people including Murdo Fraser, the MSP who found he had NCHIs against his name.

Home – The Free Speech Union

The Free Speech Union is hiring In trouble with the Scottish Police for a speech-related ‘hate crime’? Call our Hate Speech Hotline on 03333-403403. Top Story | Click here to […]

https://freespeechunion.org

Calyx72 · 11/04/2024 20:50

Thank you @VenusEnvyXX
I agree balance is needed and also that the statement is defamatory to us physios, especially those who don't believe that TWAW or TMAM - but who would not be unprofessional enough to let this affect how we treat a colleague or patient.

I am on the mobile app and can't see the link but will check on my laptop tomorrow.

You are brave and I am a huge fan xx

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ArabellaScott · 11/04/2024 20:55

Another huge fan, VenusEnvy! Thanks for all that you do.

Calyx72 · 11/04/2024 21:52

I couldn't wait and listened to your video. Bravo 👏🏻 and I'm in. Thanks 🙏🏻

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 12/04/2024 13:27

I agree that Paeds physios need urgent guidance on Cass.
https://x.com/gussiegrips/status/1778759326951264436?s=46

https://x.com/gussiegrips/status/1778759326951264436?s=46

VenusEnvyXX · 12/04/2024 14:52

I'm really worried about this. I don't think Mr Yeldham understands the issues at all.

What if they have only regurgitated what Jane Fae says and called it professional guidance?

What a mess that would be. It'd fair mess up John's knitting.

x.com/claireOT/status/1778696005724041470

RadFiz · 13/04/2024 19:44

Looks like they’ve started editing and deleting comments so make sure you take a screen shot of whatever you post.

I suspect they think we’re all annoying old women who will forget about this over the weekend.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 14/04/2024 09:59

I am not sure about the removal of members words by a trade union. It feels off.

Calyx72 · 14/04/2024 11:00

RadFiz · 13/04/2024 19:44

Looks like they’ve started editing and deleting comments so make sure you take a screen shot of whatever you post.

I suspect they think we’re all annoying old women who will forget about this over the weekend.

Where? On CSP?

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Calyx72 · 14/04/2024 11:22

Found it

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RadFiz · 14/04/2024 11:23

Calyx72 · 14/04/2024 11:00

Where? On CSP?

On the article there is one comment where it says a moderator has removed a sentence.

There is also a new comment from Rob which says, among other things, “We are committed to preventing our channels being used to share transphobic content, whether it is intended as such or not. It causes emotional distress to some members to see such comments and is inconsistent with our commitment to opposing transphobia

Calyx72 · 14/04/2024 11:44

I see that yes. No-one cares about distress, anger, fear from and bullying of gender non-believers and we are not looking to bully TRAs we are trying to protect women's rights, dignity and safety.

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