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Dylan Moran

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billydilly · 10/02/2022 21:07

Having been let down by Stewart Lee I wondered if anyone knows how Dylan Moran stands on gender woowoo? I have tickets to see him soon...

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Scout2016 · 15/02/2022 23:11

I am disappointed in Mark Steel. I still rate him and find him funny but really disappointed.
From Twitter..."If this adds anything to anything, which I doubt, the many times I've met Eddie Izzard he's always been a kind, lovely inspiring bloke, and I'm certain from now on she'll be a kind, lovely inspiring woman. And she'll always be Palace, which is much more fundamental than gender."

Can't help think his friend Linda Smith would tell him not to be so bloody stupid if she were still around.

BraveBananaBadge · 16/02/2022 08:28

@Scout2016

I am disappointed in Mark Steel. I still rate him and find him funny but really disappointed. From Twitter..."If this adds anything to anything, which I doubt, the many times I've met Eddie Izzard he's always been a kind, lovely inspiring bloke, and I'm certain from now on she'll be a kind, lovely inspiring woman. And she'll always be Palace, which is much more fundamental than gender."

Can't help think his friend Linda Smith would tell him not to be so bloody stupid if she were still around.

I guess for Mark Steel that would be a matter of making a topical gag than a political statement, although he has absolutely nothing to lose with not thinking about it too deeply I can't really hold that against him.

IIRC that was following the Graun interview which was widely interpreted as Izzard fully transitioning, when we know he still likes to pick and choose (don't delete me!).

And as long as that's his stance I wouldn't even think of using a female pronoun.

Helmetbymidnight · 16/02/2022 08:37

i think russell kane might be gc and katherine ryan - while not gc was ralking about culture wars and showed some terfy tendancies...
ben elton still publically on fence but i cant believe hes not gc- but then same with david baddiel...

Helmetbymidnight · 16/02/2022 08:38

not surprised at mark steel- for me hes the prototype lefty misogynist bloke.

BraveBananaBadge · 16/02/2022 08:48

@Helmetbymidnight

not surprised at mark steel- for me hes the prototype lefty misogynist bloke.
I know what you mean though. I'm fond of him but still wouldn't be surprised by a 'full Bragg' at any point.
NotMyGenderGoblin · 16/02/2022 08:57

@PyongyangKipperbang

Al Murray is touring this year.....no news on how woke he is. One hopes that his Pub Landlord act means he is still as offensive as ever but I rather suspect not :(
Do you know what I think is most offensive about the Pub Landlord act?

Actually, second most offensive first... that like a lot of "edgy" (aka not edgy) comedy a big chunk of the audience is laughing with him more than at him.

Most offensive is the cowardice of the act. He picks easy targets and acceptable targets so that he can appear edgy whilst not being cancelled, rather than actually present the character realistically and actually go all out.

Actually thinking now, the two things are linked. He picks on the French because he can get away with it and get the racists and non-racists onside, but doesn't go after [insert extremely offensive word for black people of choice here, there are more than one, that the real Al Murray would use if he existed] because he is far too much of a coward to risk cancellation.

I genuinely think that the whole act is an unfunny disgrace, but maybe, maybe, if he actually went the whole hog it might have some merit

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/02/2022 09:03

Interesting point. I think jokes at women's expense fall into the same bracket with "edgy" comedians as jokes about the French. Not going to get you cancelled, unlike race or trans jokes. It's only certain comedians for who nothing is off limits.

CatSpeakForDummies · 16/02/2022 09:16

Andrew Maxwell is one to avoid as well. He had about 20 minutes "joking" about poor Fallon Fox and how people were just angry that she was so good and she just wants to pee...

Almost nobody was laughing at all, as a mainly female audience don't really find a man breaking a woman's skull that funny, but he clearly felt his bit of posturing and virtue signalling was worth losing the laughs over.

KookaburraSits · 16/02/2022 09:49

James Ancaster is a bit TRA-ish, I think. But then I always found him cringily unfunny. He does that awkward sixth-form boy think of trying to be witty with a constant deadpan expression and it just comes across as needy.

Abhannmor · 16/02/2022 09:49

@NecessaryScene

What I LOATHE is an insipid comedian repeating a mantra and getting an obligatory round of applause from the obedient audience because the Cultural Revolution demands that we all believe TWAW and we all hate TERFS. It's not funny. It's not even hack, it's not a joke, so get it out your set and write a joke

Is it kind of the modern equivalent of the mother-in-law joke? I do get the same vibe from these Wokoid comedians as I did from lazy 70s/80s comedians. Not actually exploring anything thoughtfully.

There was a reason so-called "alternative comedy" (like the aforementioned Ben Elton) arose in the 80s.

Yes! 70s / 80s 'comedy ' could be distilled down to ' my drunken Irish mother in law is somewhat overweight ' . It has flipped over but the end result is the same ; smug and lazy comics getting cheap applause.
ScreamingMeMe · 16/02/2022 09:56

katherine ryan - while not gc was ralking about culture wars and showed some terfy tendancies...

Hmmn. Maybe she has changed her mind somewhat since 2018 then. I'm sure she did something for Mermaids but I can't find it.

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Rowlingfan · 27/05/2022 23:24

Saw Dylan Moran this week. Christ knows what he’s doing to himself but whatever it was it wasn’t funny. Seemed bitter and empty and lost. Spent considerable time talking about his penis and at one point suggested he was a bit “woman”. Didn’t get many laughs from perplexed audience. To be honest, it made me feel a bit sad for him.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/05/2022 23:41

I saw Dylan a number of years ago, I was very, very pregnant. He wasn't very good then. I think I actually dosed off. That, and the fact that I'd heard he was twaw, made it an easy decision to miss him this time around. I'm sorry you wasted your money on him and I'm sad for him. It's a shame.

Tsandjdarethrbest · 27/05/2022 23:58

I saw Dylan Moran’s current tour and he was utter shit.

ClaudiusTheGod · 28/05/2022 00:03

NotMyGenderGoblin · 16/02/2022 08:57

@PyongyangKipperbang

Al Murray is touring this year.....no news on how woke he is. One hopes that his Pub Landlord act means he is still as offensive as ever but I rather suspect not :(
Do you know what I think is most offensive about the Pub Landlord act?

Actually, second most offensive first... that like a lot of "edgy" (aka not edgy) comedy a big chunk of the audience is laughing with him more than at him.

Most offensive is the cowardice of the act. He picks easy targets and acceptable targets so that he can appear edgy whilst not being cancelled, rather than actually present the character realistically and actually go all out.

Actually thinking now, the two things are linked. He picks on the French because he can get away with it and get the racists and non-racists onside, but doesn't go after [insert extremely offensive word for black people of choice here, there are more than one, that the real Al Murray would use if he existed] because he is far too much of a coward to risk cancellation.

I genuinely think that the whole act is an unfunny disgrace, but maybe, maybe, if he actually went the whole hog it might have some merit

Murray is a posh public-school boy who got lucky with the Pub Landlord (his previous act consisted of him making gun noises in a bloodied butcher’s apron, so didn’t age well) and as such is extremely unlikely to give a shiny shit about women.

Phobiaphobic · 28/05/2022 00:07

PyongyangKipperbang · 11/02/2022 01:38

Al Murray is touring this year.....no news on how woke he is. One hopes that his Pub Landlord act means he is still as offensive as ever but I rather suspect not :(

One of my kids saw Al Murray and they said he was definitely a terf.

Rightsraptor · 28/05/2022 07:33

I saw Dylan Moran years ago, before he became well known and he was good then. And loved him in Black Books, so it's sad to read what he's become since.

Someone in February upthread raised the very valid point about the woke having no sense of humour. Or if they have, I have never glimpsed it. I always think of this when watching Glinner's 'The Mess', and Helen S's 'Wine with Women' - usually lots of laughter among the 😧and 😡bits.

But why no humour on the other side? And, given that they do seem to be so lacking, why are all these comedians courting them? Playing to their luxury beliefs audience, no doubt, but maybe Gervais's recent show might persuade them otherwise now.

MagpiePi · 28/05/2022 09:11

Missing the point of the thread entirely, but @NitroNine said..

...JK Rowling is Transphobe-in-Chief of TERF Island...

How do I get to TERF island?

ArcheryAnnie · 28/05/2022 10:46

I tried watching a few of the full show specials of some of these comedians on Netflix, and what really struck me was that they couldn't sustain it over a full show - for most of the ones I tried, I'd only ever seen them in short bursts as part of panel shows, etc. Al Murray was one of these, just boring if you watched more than a few minutes, and I switched to something else. I wasn't on board with all of Ricky Gervais ' jokes in his latest special (which I imagine I exactly how he likes his audience to be) but at least he kept my attention all the way through. I am a bit sad that Dylan Moran is a mess.

luciatrope · 28/05/2022 14:15

From Twitter, it seems like the most vocal supporters of DM's latest tour are the rainbow brigade, seemingly because he denounces Glinner's beliefs. He seems very aware of his professional connection to Glinner and is determined to hammer the point that TWAWAWAWAW.

Apparently he's recently separated from his wife. As someone upthread said, it does sound like he's a bit lost these days.

As for Al Murray, I'd be very surprised if he's anything other than GC, considering he's in a band with JKR's husband.

Shakeupandwakeup · 28/05/2022 14:26

Stewart Lee is an interesting one. A real dissembler. I saw his current show. He was posturing about not finding sexist jokes funny then made a long line of sexist jokes by pretending that he was mocking sexist comedians. But... he was still relying on sexist material to get laughs and then casually slipped in some real misogyny at the end. He's clever and interesting and I agree with Pps that I don't have to agree with a comedian's entire world view to find them entertaining. But that put me off going back. I just thought, Nah mate, heard it all my life. Don't need to pay to hear it.

I was thinking of going to Mark Thomas's new trial material show. Not seen him live for decades. I know he has a good social conscience, so it'll be interesting to see what he does.

Saw Henning Wehn recently. No wokery but God the show was dull. It was all about Covid!

TheMarzipanDildo · 28/05/2022 17:21

“As for Al Murray, I'd be very surprised if he's anything other than GC, considering he's in a band with JKR's husband.“

Wow I never knew that! I like Al Murray (contra many on this thread).

MagnoliaTaint · 28/05/2022 18:56

Rightsraptor · 28/05/2022 07:33

I saw Dylan Moran years ago, before he became well known and he was good then. And loved him in Black Books, so it's sad to read what he's become since.

Someone in February upthread raised the very valid point about the woke having no sense of humour. Or if they have, I have never glimpsed it. I always think of this when watching Glinner's 'The Mess', and Helen S's 'Wine with Women' - usually lots of laughter among the 😧and 😡bits.

But why no humour on the other side? And, given that they do seem to be so lacking, why are all these comedians courting them? Playing to their luxury beliefs audience, no doubt, but maybe Gervais's recent show might persuade them otherwise now.

of course, he was only acting a part in Black Books. That was written by Graham Linehan. And yes, it was fantastic. Doesn't mean that Moran is going to be funny himself.

Abhannmor · 28/05/2022 19:13

I love Alexei Sayle. No idea where he stands on Twaw. But his podcast with Owen Jones was uncomfortable viewing ; he couldn't hide his contempt for the chap.

It is sad about Dylan. Nothing funny about a guy drinking himself to death. And there's nothing funny about sticking the knife into someone you owe your career to. Still , the wheel is always turning....

Form1ess · 28/05/2022 19:37

That's a shame about Dylan Moran I loved Black Books but I suppose without Glinner he's not so funny. In a former job I met few comedians, Stewart Lee was a standout by being utterly vile and patronising unlike Bridget Christie. Since then I've viewed his comedy in a different light and wasn't surprised he was TWAW, he's not brave enough to challenge soft lib/left orthodoxy. A lot of the comedians I met have this unpleasant mix of arrogance and neediness, it's a pleasure not to deal with them anymore.