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The Brits

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IsabelleSE19 · 08/02/2022 08:15

Brief discussion on 5 Live just now between Clive Myrie and Colin Patterson about the effect of the Brits having a gender neutral Artist of the Year award to be inclusive to NB. Although they obviously stayed on the fence ('hot potato' 'complex') the point was raised that it could be seen as a step backwards for representation for women. Myrie also highlighted the reason why there is a female category in this and many other awards shortlists. Patterson thought that the issue would be raised a lot in red carpet interviews so could be worth looking out for later.

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MrsWooster · 08/02/2022 08:24

I’d be prepared to bet that the first year there will, entirely coincidentally, be an even distribution of awards between what used to be called women and men.
After that, it will be a cockfest.

Awkwardy · 08/02/2022 12:16

Popstar Sam Smith, who won the critics’ choice prize in 2014 and identifies as non-binary, using the pronouns they/them, had called for the move, saying they looked forward to a time when awards shows are “reflective of the society we live in.”

Figures.

www.itv.com/news/2022-02-08/whos-nominated-brit-awards-2022-and-why-have-gender-specific-categories-gone

ErrolTheDragon · 08/02/2022 12:34

@MrsWooster

I’d be prepared to bet that the first year there will, entirely coincidentally, be an even distribution of awards between what used to be called women and men. After that, it will be a cockfest.
That would be remarkable, given the distribution of nominations.

This year also sees nominations for more women in more than a decade.
Eighteen female artists or all-women groups have been nominated, just behind the 22 female acts given nods in 2010.

Whoopee-do. That's out of (if I counted correctly) 81 nominations. I'm sure some of the groups are mixed, but I doubt enough to make that anything other than very male biased.

TheWeeDonkey · 08/02/2022 12:59

So it will be between Sam Smith and Demi Levato both of whom a shite. 😴

NecessaryScene · 08/02/2022 13:13

Popstar Sam Smith, who won the critics’ choice prize in 2014 and identifies as non-binary, using the pronouns they/them, had called for the move, saying they looked forward to a time when awards shows are “reflective of the society we live in.”

Is he using the royal "we" as well?

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IsabelleSE19 · 08/02/2022 13:24

Popstar Sam Smith, who won the critics’ choice prize in 2014 and identifies as non-binary, using the pronouns they/them, had called for the move, saying they looked forward to a time when awards shows are “reflective of the society we live in.”

I don't personally know anyone NB, so it's not really reflective of the society I live in. I do know lots of males and females though.

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MrsJamin · 08/02/2022 13:29

Let's remember that the first time an all-female group won Best group was LAST YEAR. The brits has always been a male backslapping contest. In the outstanding contribution to music award, how many were women in the past few decades? Three.

CompleteGinasaur · 08/02/2022 13:31

"reflective of the society we live in".

In Hoxton.

PickleC · 08/02/2022 13:37

Absolutely right re the best group award last year. There are damn good reasons why women have had their own categories - lack of access, lack of opportunity, conscious/unconscious bias etc. This year they will hail it as a massive success because of some very prominent female artists but that hasn't been the norm.

Its even more obvious for acting awards such as the Oscars. Best director - one woman has won in its history. If you look at nominated acting parts, so many are based on some sort of historical drama where men will have 'meatier' roles written for them. Scripts give men far more airtime.

In hailing how wonderful and progressive this all is many just don't seem to think or care how this impacts on women. But hey, if Sam Smith is happy...

EishetChayil · 08/02/2022 13:38

It will just be men.

Civic life will just be men.

Boardrooms will just be men.

Sports will just be men.

Just men.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/02/2022 13:40

The obvious and totally inclusive solution is to have 2 categories based on sex, of course.

Linguini · 08/02/2022 13:49

You can only ever be a male non binary person or a female non binary person anyway.
So surely you can keep the male or female categories then add a special mention for non binary artists in their sex category.

Why is "inclusivity" always about destroying anything good for females haha rhetorical question of course.

TheWeeDonkey · 08/02/2022 15:20

@CompleteGinasaur

"reflective of the society we live in".

In Hoxton.

🤣😂
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 08/02/2022 15:23

@EishetChayil

It will just be men.

Civic life will just be men.

Boardrooms will just be men.

Sports will just be men.

Just men.

It's the contemporary take on 'Turtles all the way down'.

How can people not see this is back to the recent past with a vengeance?

Doyoumind · 08/02/2022 15:27

No one will dare to say anything against this on the red carpet. It would unfortunately be career suicide. I can't say what I think of SS without risking deletion.

terryleather · 08/02/2022 15:39

@Doyoumind

No one will dare to say anything against this on the red carpet. It would unfortunately be career suicide. I can't say what I think of SS without risking deletion.
I'll say it for you - SS is a self involved fud of the highest magnitude.
ScreamingMeMe · 08/02/2022 15:53

No one will dare to say anything against this on the red carpet. It would unfortunately be career suicide.

Exactly

KarenTheGammonRemoaner · 08/02/2022 16:41

It feels like some kind of reset on society. Fewer people, women back in traditional roles.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 08/02/2022 17:07

“reflective of the society we live in.”

If you watch any of those 80s themed music video shows, tonnes of the videos feature blokes in heavy makeup, long hair, frills, heels all sorts. They were all men.

So what, exactly, is 'non-binary' reflective of?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 08/02/2022 17:48

So what, exactly, is 'non-binary' reflective of?

Somebody who does not embrace the opportunity to reject the stifling constrictions of gender and be wholly themselves and expand the bandwidth of what it means to be their sex?

Somebody who accepts gender stereotypes and confuses that with sex classes and refuses the latter rather than the former (see above)?

InvisibleDragon · 08/02/2022 18:04

The presenter on BBC Radio Scotland called this "controversial" and mental that the Brits have been criticized for not having many female nominees, which this won't help with.

InvisibleDragon · 08/02/2022 18:15

mentioned not mental!

MrsJamin · 08/02/2022 20:31

Best song goes to Adele and best international artist goes to Olivia Rodriguez, we called it. Best pop / rnb dua Lipa. So predictable.

MrsJamin · 08/02/2022 21:05

Best group, wolf Alice. Best dance, becky Hill. Let's see if this continues in the next few years, eh, brits?

DevonTF · 08/02/2022 21:29

Little Mix won the best group last year - that was the first time ever an all female group won. The only other females honoured in the Best Group were 5 star in 1987 both sexes.
This year we will see a mix of male and female winners. They will do the - ‘it was so fair and inclusive blah blah blah’. Then it will be men winning again with the odd female win. Same shit that we fought, back fighting again.

Oh - and Sam Smith is shite.