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"JK Rowling is a gold-plated hero': Author Anthony Horowitz blasts cancel culture"

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ScreamingMeMe · 07/02/2022 16:29

Good to see another successful author speaking out

'JK Rowling is a gold-plated hero': Author Anthony Horowitz blasts cancel culture and says writers are 'under siege' and should 'lead the agenda, not be cowed by it'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10483263/amp/Anthony-Horowitz-blasts-cancel-culture-says-writers-siege.html

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Datun · 09/02/2022 09:07

I mean, I'm thinking I've completely misunderstood what you said. Could you please try and be clearer about what you're actually saying?

Actually say it, instead of hinting.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/02/2022 09:09

Maya's court case was nothing to do with the Scouts or misgendering anyone, it was about general views that she expressed on social media that someone complained to her emoyer (not the Scouts) about.

The Scouts becoming mixed sex was a decision THEY made due to dwindling membership numbers. It was nothing to do with feminists.

Wherever you're getting your information from, it certainly isn't this board (as if we needed further proof).

I'm off for tea and toast at Bunbury. Toodles!

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Helleofabore · 09/02/2022 09:11

@Datun

I mean, I'm thinking I've completely misunderstood what you said. Could you please try and be clearer about what you're actually saying?

Actually say it, instead of hinting.

Plopper has assured us that their post are NOT word salad and that any issue with find with incoherency is our own fault.

"It shows a hilarious lack of self awareness or a feeling of superiority on their part"

gingerhills · 09/02/2022 09:13

Good for him. Another reason to adore Horowitz. (The other one being he, like Rowling, made loads of boys who hated reading love to read.)

He is a good man.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/02/2022 09:13

The Turing Test is a method of inquiry in artificial intelligence (AI) for determining whether or not a computer is capable of thinking like a human being. The test is named after Alan Turing, the founder of the Turing Test and an English computer scientist, cryptanalyst, mathematician and theoretical biologist.

Turing proposed that a computer can be said to possess artificial intelligence if it can mimic human responses under specific conditions. The original Turing Test requires three terminals, each of which is physically separated from the other two. One terminal is operated by a computer, while the other two are operated by humans.

During the test, one of the humans functions as the questioner, while the second human and the computer function as respondents. The questioner interrogates the respondents within a specific subject area, using a specified format and context. After a preset length of time or number of questions, the questioner is then asked to decide which respondent was human and which was a computer.

Datun · 09/02/2022 09:13

@ScreamingMeMe

Maya's court case was nothing to do with the Scouts or misgendering anyone, it was about general views that she expressed on social media that someone complained to her emoyer (not the Scouts) about.

The Scouts becoming mixed sex was a decision THEY made due to dwindling membership numbers. It was nothing to do with feminists.

Wherever you're getting your information from, it certainly isn't this board (as if we needed further proof).

I'm off for tea and toast at Bunbury. Toodles!

Indeed. I don't know why the poster thinks Maya has anything to do with the scouts, or decisions they made decades ago.

plopper Maya went to court to have it enshrined in law that disagreement with trans ideology is acceptable, as is the gender critical position. They're both legally protected beliefs now.

Since you don't appear to be a fan of cancel culture, I'm sure you will agree, 100%, that people should absolutely have the legal right to disagree with trans ideology in its entirety.

Helleofabore · 09/02/2022 09:16

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

The Turing Test is a method of inquiry in artificial intelligence (AI) for determining whether or not a computer is capable of thinking like a human being. The test is named after Alan Turing, the founder of the Turing Test and an English computer scientist, cryptanalyst, mathematician and theoretical biologist.

Turing proposed that a computer can be said to possess artificial intelligence if it can mimic human responses under specific conditions. The original Turing Test requires three terminals, each of which is physically separated from the other two. One terminal is operated by a computer, while the other two are operated by humans.

During the test, one of the humans functions as the questioner, while the second human and the computer function as respondents. The questioner interrogates the respondents within a specific subject area, using a specified format and context. After a preset length of time or number of questions, the questioner is then asked to decide which respondent was human and which was a computer.

Do you think that we are being used as a testing phase?
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/02/2022 09:18

The last time I found a post this incomprehensible, it was because someone had found an automatic text generator for essays and arguing on forums.

LilithOfEden · 09/02/2022 09:19

This is what he's on about

unherd.com/thepost/scout-association-apologises-to-maya-forstater/

Helleofabore · 09/02/2022 09:19

I think you could be onto something.

Ploppingperp06 · 09/02/2022 09:21

@ScreamingMeMe

Actually there have been many court cases involving women trying to become scout leaders against the wishes of the organisation in scouting organisations worldwide. That is not to do with dwindling numbers.

But if dwindling numbers is now the reason for the mixing - the offer still has to be taken up.

Ploppingperp06 · 09/02/2022 09:23

@datun

And the right to disagree with feminist ideology in its entirety?

Datun · 09/02/2022 09:26

But if dwindling numbers is now the reason for the mixing - the offer still has to be taken up.

Eh? Would you rather women did not help the scouts out, and it folded? Is it the scouts you hate?

Helleofabore · 09/02/2022 09:26

I assume they’re even more so now what with the bearded ladies and feminists bossing the poor lads around

I am just highlighting this little gem.

Maybe Ploppy thought when we talk about our activist visitors, ploppy thought we only were thinking trans activists.

By the way, there are actually quite a few trans activist posters on FWR and we agree with some of their views and not others. Because trans activists hold a range of views and not all trans activists hold extreme views. Some other types of activism for males however, do seem to start with holding extreme views. And often they also are 'busy' while posting.

Datun · 09/02/2022 09:27

[quote Ploppingperp06]@datun

And the right to disagree with feminist ideology in its entirety?[/quote]
Well, given feminism strives to dismantle male domination, it's unsurprising there are an awful lot of men who disagree with it.

LilithOfEden · 09/02/2022 09:28

He's comparing totally different issues. Scouts admitting girls had nothing to do with ideology. It was a case of practicality. Women run it or Scouts die a death. If he's go a gripe, he should ask a few middle aged men why they didn't step up at the time to keep it single sex.

Maya's case against Scouts was about her rights under the Equality Act to have freedom of belief and not to be slandered. and harassed for those beliefs. It's a completely different matter altogether.

LilithOfEden · 09/02/2022 09:33

Actually there have been many court cases involving women trying to become scout leaders against the wishes of the organisation in scouting organisations worldwide. That is not to do with dwindling numbers.

What's that got to do with what happened to Scouts in the UK,Maya's case and English law?

ScreamingMeMe · 09/02/2022 09:34

[quote LilithOfEden]This is what he's on about

unherd.com/thepost/scout-association-apologises-to-maya-forstater/[/quote]
Ah right. I'd forgotten about that one!

Still conflating two different issues though.

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Datun · 09/02/2022 09:38

Plopper, this is what the scouts said to Maya

"Now the Scouts have issued an apology, saying it's clear she ‘did not deliberately misgender the complainant in order to cause harm’ and that she ‘did not spread lies about them’."

And they apologised for her two year ordeal.

She went to court to make sure that her opinions were not deemed illegal.

As you said cancel culture is something you disagree with, so I'm not sure what your actual gripe is?

Presumably you were pleased with this outcome.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/02/2022 09:39

Ploppy, I hope you're paying Lilith the going rate for interpretation these days.

Ploppingperp06 · 09/02/2022 09:41

Now to reiterate and conclude this post thread,
First Horowitz defends Rollings right to say whatever she likes against trans-ideology, then he goes on to talk about also being afraid to write women “offensively” lest he should fall on the wrong side of cancel culture for this different reason.

Then I question (based on observation) whether those defending Rowlings right to free speech on this issue would also extend the same “privilege” to Horowitz should he say something which offended or was against their own feminist ideology. I was assured that this would be the case despite the reality that this isn’t true in the main in the real world.

This then turned to discussion on comments being deleted easily here which was both agreed and disagreed with - but of course only the people making “good” comments were being deleted and nobody else. This “only feminist comments are deleted” viewpoint was agreed upon by feminists here, a position which was called (by me) evidence of an echo chamber which was heartily denied by said feminists - who then congratulated each other on their own denial of being part of an echo chamber, taking it somehow as proof that they were not.
Somebody also asked me to remember some post they made - it wasn’t clear which they were talking about and they got mad when I asked them to clarify.

The basic immutable point of all this being that those who defend Rowling’s free speech against trans ideology can also be observed trying to shut down free speech for others by either calling it “hate” or “prejudice” (examples of this phrase being used are present in these posts).

Anyway, this is going round in echo chamber like circles reminiscent of an echo chamber - even though this may or may not be an echo chamber and my dinners ready so we’ll conclude this thread here.

LilithOfEden · 09/02/2022 09:43

Your dinner's ready? At 9.45 in the morning, UK time?

Ploppingperp06 · 09/02/2022 09:44

@Helleofabore

Believe of me what you wish. I assure you for the last time I’m no kind of activist and it’s insane to insist otherwise.

LilithOfEden · 09/02/2022 09:45

We'll conclude this thread here? Are you in charge then?

Ploppingperp06 · 09/02/2022 09:45

@LilithOfEden

You realise the internet isn’t the country of England?