"JK Rowling is a gold-plated hero': Author Anthony Horowitz blasts cancel culture"

[ScreamingMeMe]

Good to see another successful author speaking out

'JK Rowling is a gold-plated hero': Author Anthony Horowitz blasts cancel culture and says writers are 'under siege' and should 'lead the agenda, not be cowed by it'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10483263/amp/Anthony-Horowitz-blasts-cancel-culture-says-writers-siege.html

@TheCurrywurstPrion

Based on observance it seems the people defending Rowling against “cancelling” for ideological reasons (the feminists not the daily mail crowd) were also once (and still?) very quick to want the same censorship of others whose views didn’t align with theirs.

Not sure what you’ve observed, but it certainly wasn’t the feminist board on Mumsnet. Are you sure this isn’t projection or misogyny? One of them is likely skewing your view.

It seems to be an observance of the projection of whatever some posters believe the feminist board to be.

Considering the lack of fact this poster’s other assertions have been based on I doubt they even see the fact their almost inpenetrable ‘observations’ so far have been steeped in what is a very evident prejudice presented with such exquisite superciliousness.

It is like one of us is razzing the board with every tired trope we have come across presented with a shiny new personality to hide that it really is the same old bollocks.

@ScreamingMeMe

As for posts being deleted easily I’m basing my opinion on that on my one other previous discussion here - which was very similar to the way posts are deleted in similar ideologically driven forums or on certain social media’s. I’m not going to dig up the post and didn’t screenshot anything before deletion anyway (why would I?) so you can choose to believe me there or not, but it is the truth. However given that was a view based on a limited (but honest) experience I am willing to give you the benifet of the doubt that it’s not always that way. I have however refrained from any sarcasm or anything that could be taken as slightly insulting (despite comments in argument with me featuring both) because I did expect to have either posts deleted or be banned, because I think that’s the kind of forum this is.

As for my first point that the same kind of feminists who are now shouting free speech for Rowling and once wanted others speech banned (and perhaps still do), - are you kidding? Before the whole trans issue was causing them to be censored they were very much the ones up in arms on social media looking to cancel whether for viewpoint or because of accusation, I’m sure many still are, but they will justify this through claiming their speech is “protected” while others is “hate”. You can see this in operation here in these posts with the buzz word of misogyny being thrown around as an argument against my points (it is not) and being used in the exact same way that “transphobic” is used against them. Simply a easy dismissal of someone as a bigot and therefore in the wrong whatever the truth may be.

Experienced posters telling me I am wrong about their echo chamber being an cho chamber doesn’t really prove much now does it? Other than that they enjoy their echo chamber (as passionately like minded folks tend to do) and can’t (as I’ve written) see it clearly as such.

I can't remember if I read it as a child (I could have done, looking at the publication date) but I definitely want to read it now for the gorgeous pun in the title!

Purgatory

It is a much more delicious pun than ‘The heartbreak of a staggering penis’.

@TheCurrywurstPrion

I’m not ignoring any of your claims, you give the attention I am paying to much credit. I tend to smash on my phone when I’m in the middle of something. For instance right now I’m hitting golf balls into a net and typing in between.

Repeat whatever you wanted clarification on now

Thanks for the link PurgatoryOfPotholes !

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You can’t scroll back a few posts because you’re WAY too busy!! Not only that, but I highlighted the exact point within the post you are addressing.

And I see in your post to ScreamingMeMe that you have literally confirmed my suspicion that you “ arrived with extreme inbuilt prejudice about feminists, [and are] now applying it randomly to a different group of women”.

Thanks for confirming your own prejudice.

Fascinating that you claim that having read a lot of the posts here, and therefore knowing as a fact that there are no regular calls for cancellation here as being “ Experienced posters telling me I am wrong about their echo chamber being an cho chamber”

We can see that you are entirely unable to prove the claims you are making, but can only attempt distraction. Strawman arguments don’t work well here.

It is almost like word salad is supposed to hide the lack of coherency and the bailey and motte style.

It is quite the ballsy attempt.

Id be happy to agree that this place is somewhat of an echo chamber

Even though we regularly get visitors who disagree and not all of us who regularly post on here believe the same things and not all of us are feminists

I mean I don’t think its our fault that it can be an echo chamber but I’m not going to get in an in depth argument about whether it is or not…

But the ‘posts are only deleted when it goes against the grain on here’ is such a massive massive pile of shit and so very very wrong that l think that someone who is saying that it is true is probably wrong about lots of other ‘insights’ into this board

I have however refrained from any sarcasm or anything that could be taken as slightly insulting (despite comments in argument with me featuring both) because I did expect to have either posts deleted or be banned, because I think that’s the kind of forum this is

Oh well you’re not wrong about this

But this would be down to our external monitors and MNHQ

But for any newbies on here, yeah…no sarcasm, obviously no personal attacks, no biscuits, DO NOT talk about recipes…honestly this one is a biggie, there is a massive list of words you can’t mention like yawn and bless and also you can describe yourself as certain things but not others

And

This is a biggie

Posts get deleted for perfectly normal words and phrases you didnt even realise would be a problem til you posted them

On aibu you can pretty much let fly except for the personal attacks obviously….unless you stupidly mention sex or gender cos then it will be moved to this board and then posts are open to deletion

Oh god nearly forgot at one time a years old thread could be bumped back before the rules came in and then posts were deleted

And saying all that I do appreciate that MNHQ have a very hard job when it comes to this subject….

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I missed this

C’mon curry….you’ve been told 😀😀😀

But the ‘posts are only deleted when it goes against the grain on here’ is such a massive massive pile of shit

I think that as more comes out, we will find that it was deleted for making a negative generalisation about any group of people.

Let's not also forget the attempt to make a comparison between the scouts becoming mixed sex in an attempt to keep the the movement alive and the complaints about a safeguarding issue with the guides. It showed a lack of knowledge on both issues but yet, some posters have decided they are expert observers of the FWR board.

If they had spent the amount of time observing this board rather than merely using a cursory glance to confirm preconceived prejudice, they would have read the GG threads and would have seen that particular scout fallacy debunked.

But let's not get in the way of the self aggrandisement.

@TheCurrywurstPrion

Are you speaking about your comment at 7:27? If so. Have addressed this. If not just get to the point and State exactly what you want to know, as I’m not searching through all your posts and trying to guess.

As for my posts confirming my “prejudice” again this is the exact same tactic that feminists would claim trans-activists use against them - that is say something that they disagree with and you are “prejudiced” and any other post only confirms this and as a “prejudiced” person you should not be listened to. This is the same attitude of smearing -“any argument opposed to your own (or that bothers you) as bigoted and therefore unworthy of consideration (without consideration).

No arguments contrary to your beliefs will “work” as is true for most deep in their own beliefs and caught up in a movement/echo chamber. Whether these beliefs are those of trans activists or feminists.
The fact you think you are somehow “winning” an argument is absurd and laughable. Of course the people who already agreed with you will continue to - and as most people here already agree with you they will continue to. That means nothing at all. It’s indicative of someone in n an echo chamber that they believe it does hold meaning.

I'd totally forgotten about the receipe thing! What is the deal with that? Is it the whole Bunbury aspect?

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer

Id be happy to agree that this place is somewhat of an echo chamber

Even though we regularly get visitors who disagree and not all of us who regularly post on here believe the same things and not all of us are feminists

I mean I don’t think its our fault that it can be an echo chamber but I’m not going to get in an in depth argument about whether it is or not…

But the ‘posts are only deleted when it goes against the grain on here’ is such a massive massive pile of shit and so very very wrong that l think that someone who is saying that it is true is probably wrong about lots of other ‘insights’ into this board

Indeed. Personally I'd love to see what argument the reporter of 'bless' brought to HQ's table.

Plopper, most women on here are entirely confident in their gender critical position. In terms of argument they welcome dissenting views precisely for that reason. You being unable to back up your casual claims like women being responsible for the scouts failing, rather than their salvation, aren't original. We get it a lot. Funnily enough that specifically erroneous accusation crops up regularly.

Most women here are also adult enough to appreciate that free speech doesn't just mean speech one agrees with. 🙄

This is pure gold!

@Helleofabore

It’s not word salad, if you have a problem following along that’s not my problem. Maybe you need to eat more salad, it’s good for the mind.

Truly. Pure gold!

indeed. Personally I'd love to see what argument the reporter of 'bless' brought to HQ's table

I’d like to see biscuit

Cos on AIBU, chat, politics etc it means no comment

And on FWR it must mean something like ‘FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU WANKER’ or something similar

Most women here are also adult enough to appreciate that free speech doesn't just mean speech one agrees with. 🙄

Oh come on Datun. Don't spoil the fun.

This is on par with last night someone telling us how we wins could not fight more than one issue at a time.

And like those poster's who like to tell women what they should spend their money on, like women still require their husbands approval to spend money.

@Datun

First off I couldn’t care less about the scouts, they were lame when I was a kid and I wouldn’t have dreamed of going and I assume they’re even more so now what with the bearded ladies and feminists bossing the poor lads around. Scouts are the type of thing that is meaningful when close (either leading to or away from) to a war or something that has relevance when constant warring is expected. Basically they’re a kids impression of army groups and troups. Even if they were still all male boys wouldn’t be going for that reason alone - there is no appeal to them.” And they can do more dangerous/cooler stuff when with their friends.

The point was that a high profile case of trans vs feminist occurred because of the scouting Organization when a feminist essentially refused to “gender” someone the way they chose and the implied implication that their ideology or state or being (depending on your view) didn’t belong in the scouts - which was ironic because the same thing would originally (and still) be said by many about admitting women/girls into the Boy Scouts in the first place, yet said feminist women had no problem entering a space which was seen as male specific for good cause, no matter the reason (either through their own activism or invitation because of declining numbers). It shows a hilarious lack of self awareness or a feeling of superiority on their part that they felt in the right to do this, yet act this way now.

Hey Rufus, you want the biscuit?

It shows a hilarious lack of self awareness or a feeling of superiority on their part

The gift that keeps on giving!

@Helleofabore

They really are!

[quote Ploppingperp06]@Datun

First off I couldn’t care less about the scouts, they were lame when I was a kid and I wouldn’t have dreamed of going and I assume they’re even more so now what with the bearded ladies and feminists bossing the poor lads around. Scouts are the type of thing that is meaningful when close (either leading to or away from) to a war or something that has relevance when constant warring is expected. Basically they’re a kids impression of army groups and troups. Even if they were still all male boys wouldn’t be going for that reason alone - there is no appeal to them.” And they can do more dangerous/cooler stuff when with their friends.

The point was that a high profile case of trans vs feminist occurred because of the scouting Organization when a feminist essentially refused to “gender” someone the way they chose and the implied implication that their ideology or state or being (depending on your view) didn’t belong in the scouts - which was ironic because the same thing would originally (and still) be said by many about admitting women/girls into the Boy Scouts in the first place, yet said feminist women had no problem entering a space which was seen as male specific for good cause, no matter the reason (either through their own activism or invitation because of declining numbers). It shows a hilarious lack of self awareness or a feeling of superiority on their part that they felt in the right to do this, yet act this way now.[/quote]
My impression, plopper, is you're not the best communicator in the world, but I can't actually make head nor tail of this.

Are you trying to draw a comparison between the scouts desperately inviting girls and women to join, lest they close down, and the guides putting a male individual who posts sexualised content online into a position of safeguarding over girls? Against their own guidelines? Because the person says they're not male.

Just to be clear. Are those the two comparisons you're drawing?

Can you tell me what is similar about the two situations?