Sarah Ditum reviews Grace Lavery’s book

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She’s got a point, the pun in the title is very good. But otherwise Lavery is saying the quiet part out loud.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d95d9e92-85e7-11ec-b939-57ea9f594ba1?shareToken=8d58838e7b97ce21a4181d7bff0f91df

I agree. I am not sure that it has occurred to Lavery that taking the role of the dominant in their relationship rather indicates that they are not a woman. And that they have defined their spouse as a woman which they, Daniel, clearly would be opposed to.

Kind a 'hoist by own petard' situation there.

Especially the quote ending in "I fucking love to ruin things", Helle.

I meant that as a response to Once you see the pride in the posting of the abuse of their spouse (were they honeymoon photos or am I thinking of other photos), everything falls into place.

Gawd, what a talentless writer.

How on earth does this person get so much attention? There doesn't seem to be much justification for that.

a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse

Where the fuck did Grace get this iidea from?! Does it mean 'passive' in terms of positions ie supine, missionary, or does it mean passive in terms of the dynamic, as in submissive/dominant? Either of these is rather a quaint and old fashioned (and yes, obviously deeply sexist) view of both sexual intercourse and relationships/power dynamics, frankly.

(Daniel: I wish you strength, peace and self acceptance.)

@DomesticatedZombie

a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse

Where the fuck did Grace get this iidea from?! Does it mean 'passive' in terms of positions ie supine, missionary, or does it mean passive in terms of the dynamic, as in submissive/dominant? Either of these is rather a quaint and old fashioned (and yes, obviously deeply sexist) view of both sexual intercourse and relationships/power dynamics, frankly.

(Daniel: I wish you strength, peace and self acceptance.)

I second this, and add a SHL.

a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse

Several of my gay male acquaintances would qualify as women according to Grace. I don't think they'd be pleased about that.

My concern is for Grace's wife. More red flags than a May Day parade at the Kremlin.

The wife?

Bloody hell. I've got a friend who was thoroughly abused for years by her scumbag husband. Took about 15 years for her to leave from the point that I knew things were bad for her.

I hope Grace's wife finds the same strength that my friend did. And I hope it happens more quickly for her than it did for my friend.

Gawd, I've got so much sympathy for the women who are trapped in abusive relationships. It's just brutal.

SHL? I googled but am getting several potential acronyms ...

Shit-Hot Lawyer

Sorry, that should have been Grace's husband. Who is, of course, female. Despite testosterone, visibly and clearly female. While Grace is clearly and visibly male. There's a bit of my brain that refuses to lie about it and just says what it sees. It'll get me shot one of these days.

Ah, thank you! I got 'Save Human Life'.

Another review/summary of Lavery's book:

the-lies-they-tell.org/2022/02/08/review-of-grace-laverys-book/

Read with caution, it features a description (from the book) of what I would consider abuse, among the grossness.

Well, that was a journey.

Nice to also find out in an aside that Stryker can't even google before writing a review

Susan Stryker’s review goes ‘I met Grace when she was still an egg (trans talk for folx who don’t know yet that they’re trans) and think hers is perhaps the most spectacular, fully formed hatching since Minerva sprang from the head of Zeus,’ which neatly sums up how much sense the book makes overall (i.e. no sense).

And these people are granted the final say over policies affecting the lives of millions of women and children.

Genesis

I couldn't read that review past the recounting of the abuse of the partner. I mean, Lavery posted photos of this. Along with the proud bite marks on Daniel's cheeks.

I mean there is a term for Lavery's type of 'love' but I don't want to have my post deleted.

How, HOW, has this awful person been given a post at one of the most prestigious universities in the world? I’m absolutely gobsmacked after reading that review.

@Genesis1v27

Another review/summary of Lavery's book:

the-lies-they-tell.org/2022/02/08/review-of-grace-laverys-book/

Read with caution, it features a description (from the book) of what I would consider abuse, among the grossness.

Yes, that was why I said I was worried about Lavery's husband. Given that Lavery thinks that being a woman is about being sexually passive, Lavery's obsession with Lavery's penis and Lavery's behaviour towards their husband seems very male and exactly the opposite of what they say. There is a photo around of Lavery doing what is described and I found it very disturbing.

And yes, this individual has tenure at Berkeley, meaning they are very secure. The academy does seem to reward outrageousness. If Lavery was on a fixed-term contract things might be very different.

There is a photo around of Lavery doing what is described and I found it very disturbing.

Yes. It is the very public humiliation of their spouse that is supposed to be someone they love that is such a huge red flag. Obviously the public humiliation is part of the attraction. But the fact that this has been lauded and approved and people hit the 'like' button is simply mind blowing.

Holy shit.. I googled those pictures. Dear god! Why on Earth does that poor woman stay?

It’s interesting how the most outrageous/ confusing / new / boundary breaking behaviour all comes back to one thing - misogyny. XY people getting off on abusing XX people and getting off even more on the public attention it brings them.

I’m talking in general about some XY people as NAXYPALT of course. And not about anyone in particular.

I also find it interesting that the woke self identified “intellectuals” who applaud this behaviour would be appalled at similar abuse of Black or Jewish people.

Kick a cat and people all over the world call for you to be sacked. Rape / abuse a woman and you get tenure.

(Not defending the abuse of animals BTW) .

You mean woman by Lavery's definition Samphire. I think that is a key argument.

@Genesis1v27

Another review/summary of Lavery's book:

the-lies-they-tell.org/2022/02/08/review-of-grace-laverys-book/

Read with caution, it features a description (from the book) of what I would consider abuse, among the grossness.

Jesus wept, that’s horrific!

I expected there would be a need for professional behaviour for lecturer's so I had a quick look at where Grace's uni is.

This is in Grace's bio. My bold.
"My work in trans feminist studies is likewise focused on the belief that transition works; that it is truly possible to change sex. This belief may be as embarrassing..."*

Aye. Right.

@Helleofabore

You mean woman by Lavery's definition Samphire. I think that is a key argument.

Oh, erm! I seem to have lost the plot of who is male, female, wife, husband etc. Far too complicated, and nasty, for poor little old me

Why is this person being published?
What utter tripe.
What a nasty abusive and non-shocking idiot. None of what he writes is very «edgy».
Has he not read the other books of the guy what wrote American Psycho - or come to think of it he has and it is almost plagiarism.

The miscarriage bit IS sickening though. And his comment to Ditum afterwards shows his stunted intellect.

«I am not mad. I am just disappointed»