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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma Bateman suspended from Green Party.

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Signalbox · 04/02/2022 14:40

mobile.twitter.com/EmmaBatemanGPW/status/1489607775005155333

Emma Bateman suspended from Green Party.
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Signalbox · 19/01/2023 20:33

Looks like Emma’s finally been expelled.

mobile.twitter.com/EmmaBatemanGPW/status/1616165766528647184

OP posts:
WarriorN · 19/01/2023 20:36

Oh how awful. Solidarity Emma.

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2023 20:38

Fuckers.

fromorbit · 19/01/2023 21:04

Sneaky move as the internal elections were coming up again and Emma was on course to be elected again. Her court case is still ongoing as is the other two cases that gender crits have against the Green party. Apparently there is a good chance of winning as the Greens are clearly bigoted against those who know sex exists.

If you are a member remember your vote is vital to ensure gender crit women keep control of the women's committee. Keep an an eye on Green Fem twitter to know who to vote for:
twitter.com/GreenFemsUK

waterwitch · 19/01/2023 21:42

Realistically, probably need a new Earth party.The Green Party is spending so long trying to support TRA’s they’ve forgotten about the environment. Shame, the environmental agenda is getting some real traction, but hey, why is that important compared to the sacred caste?

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2023 21:53

And this is a reply she gets.

Which side of this agreement is on the wrong side of history again?

The woman who gets expelled for believing the biological fact that men can't turn into women or the person who obviously doesn't agree with her and posts the comment below?

Emma Bateman suspended from Green Party.
Thelnebriati · 19/01/2023 22:18

As this is a major political party discriminating against members, I think EHRC should get involved.

dunBle · 20/01/2023 00:28

If anyone's in the mood for some gardening, there's a link in the pinned post on Emma's twitter profile.

WarriorN · 20/01/2023 06:26

fromorbit · 19/01/2023 21:04

Sneaky move as the internal elections were coming up again and Emma was on course to be elected again. Her court case is still ongoing as is the other two cases that gender crits have against the Green party. Apparently there is a good chance of winning as the Greens are clearly bigoted against those who know sex exists.

If you are a member remember your vote is vital to ensure gender crit women keep control of the women's committee. Keep an an eye on Green Fem twitter to know who to vote for:
twitter.com/GreenFemsUK

Thanks for this. Gardening later

MargaritaPie · 21/01/2023 02:38

Rheopecticfluid · 04/02/2022 14:45

Wow. So Emma's not allowed to have a personal opinion. One that is protected by law.

The green party are fucked.

Why, has she been arrested?

She is free to have any opinion she want.

The Green party is also free to show the door to haters who will give them a bad name.

Abhannmor · 21/01/2023 04:39

A party that expels a decent woman like Emma isn't going anywhere but down.

Gardening when I wake up properly. Meanwhile 💐

knittingaddict · 21/01/2023 07:58

MargaritaPie · 21/01/2023 02:38

Why, has she been arrested?

She is free to have any opinion she want.

The Green party is also free to show the door to haters who will give them a bad name.

😴

Whyjustwhy123 · 21/01/2023 08:09

I wonder if some people are finding it very uncomfortable that so much coverage on this topic is occurring that is sensible and unbiased.

It’s so bloody awkward when intelligent women speak out and start to get noticed.

Much easier to shout ‘you haters’ than respond to their points.

BingBongSong · 21/01/2023 08:23

I've just donated to Emma's crowdfund. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2023 08:42

The Green party is also free to show the door to haters who will give them a bad name.

They're doing the whole bad name thing quite well enough by themselves.

fromorbit · 21/01/2023 09:16

MargaritaPie · 21/01/2023 02:38

Why, has she been arrested?

She is free to have any opinion she want.

The Green party is also free to show the door to haters who will give them a bad name.

You seem to be under the impression that registered political parties are free to have any opinions under the sun. This is not America.

It is illegal to have a secular political party that discriminates on the basis of race or sex. As the BNP found out.
www.equallyours.org.uk/ehrc-legal-action-against-bnp/

Labour ran into this issue with anti Semitism. If the Greens lose any of these cases they have coming up then the EHRC may get involved. On that basis the Greens will be screwed. The issue is that a lot of the time Gender crits just say normal things like men are biologically stronger than women and fanatics take this as hate speech. When it isn't. They specifically are targeting one set of people with particular opinions, mostly women, after they win internal elections.

If Emma had said hurtful things about a particular person then you can get her on hate speech but if you make generalised statements based on science then it isn't. Being gender crit is fine and 100% part of British life and you can't pretend it isn't. It is illegal.

If you want to have an anti GC party you might be able to do that, but your best bet if you organise from the beginning around a protected characteristic like religion because gender ideology is not rational . Like the UK has various religious parties which seem to get away with a few things. Likewise you can advocate for removing religions from public life as long as you focus on all of them and not pick out one set of people. The Greens however are supposed to be organised around environment and social liberalism. This sexist perspective is an issue for them because the party is designed for open debate and discussion.

The Greens constitution actually bans a lot of the discrimination that Emma is suffering from. As always there is a conflict over rights here and it seems very likely the Greens are running towards a brick wall because they are unable to tolerate disagreements.

The Lib Dems recently had to rewrite their transphobia rules because they legally did not hold up. Testing this stuff in court is not going to go well for the Greens.

Thesonglastslonger · 21/01/2023 09:28

Hey, remember when the Green Party’s priority was protecting the environment?

Seems like a different age.

Cattenberg · 21/01/2023 10:32

I do, and now we’re in the climate crisis they correctly predicted, where are they? Getting embroiled in identity politics. I despair.

I’m a member, but I’m wondering whether to give up on them now. I left for a while after the Challenor scandal and the insanity of calling women “non men”, but came back in the hope that the party might recover. Sadly, I think it might be beyond saving.

trythisforsize · 21/01/2023 10:48

I cancelled my membership in 2022 due to all this TQ+ stupidity (as well as the constant paper leaflets from the local greens which kept getting posted through my door).

Is it because the greens are clinging on to their Brighton&Hove membership as if it's the only thing that matters? The Green Party have proved incredibly naive.
As PP have said, now is the time to mobilise the masses on climate change, not skirt wearing.

Transparent2 · 22/01/2023 01:19

AlternativelyWired · 04/02/2022 15:40

Woman has opinion. The be-penised don't like it. 'Twas ever thus. And ever shall be at this rate. Society is going backwards in terms of equality. The Greens lost my vote years ago. Labour too.

If transwomen are women then what are they transing to and from? How are they different so that they need all this extra representation? Am I missing something?

Some of us of the betesticled persuasion completely agree with you, and are grateful for the education that we have received on Mumsnet.

MadameDefargetheBoiledbeetleversion · 22/01/2023 01:23

Transparent2 · 22/01/2023 01:19

Some of us of the betesticled persuasion completely agree with you, and are grateful for the education that we have received on Mumsnet.

I read that wrong and spent a moment wondering what a beta test tickler had to do with the discussion and what was one.

as you were.

I've seriously got to go to the opticians!

MissHappiness · 24/01/2023 21:45

Results of women's committee election are out: still a mix of GC and TWAW.

Co-Chairs: Zoe Hatch & Chesca Walton
Secretary: Sue Williams
Memb Sec: Devon Osborne
Treasurer: Anne Price
Non-Portfolio: Jude English, Laura Eccott, (Job share) Siobhan Scanlon
and Mariette Labelle

Will be interesting to see if they can co-operate. I watched the hustings and to me Chesca sounded "of course I value free speech as long as you agree with all the righteous causes I do." So I wonder if she will be reporting her colleagues for having the wrong opinions in a week or two.

Constitution Part 2 will also be interesting.

Wonder why Moira Dunworth didn't get in. Perhaps she is not queer enough.

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