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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma Bateman suspended from Green Party.

122 replies

Signalbox · 04/02/2022 14:40

mobile.twitter.com/EmmaBatemanGPW/status/1489607775005155333

Emma Bateman suspended from Green Party.
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WarriorN · 04/02/2022 18:12

Well said by Zoe

DomesticatedZombie · 04/02/2022 18:14

@bishophaha

Tempted to join. You try and knock one woman down, 3 more will pop up.
Yes. Emma has lots of support. It's annoying that this person has decided to pursue a vendetta against her because she disagrees with Emma's beliefs, and I think it's probably contrary to party guidelines to make malicious complaints.
fromorbit · 04/02/2022 18:30

People should not resign. We can fight this. We can go to the ERHC if they keep this sexist nonsense up.

Political parties can't discriminate against protected characteristics in the UK the BNP found this out the hard way in 2010. www.equallyours.org.uk/ehrc-legal-action-against-bnp/

TurquoiseBaubles · 04/02/2022 18:37

Ani's twitter feed is weird. Apart from her attack on Emma, there is practically no response (likes or comments) on any of her tweets. And now she has set up a fundraiser for Women's Aid because "Women & those perceived female have seen violence against them increase recently".

She has, however, retweeted an entire rant by Rachel Collinson (beta) about facism Confused. And, very ironically, a retweet of "Ed Burnham: “I am proud to be standing for the Green Party, who do not tell their councillors how to vote"

Practically nothing about the environment at all.

Signalbox · 04/02/2022 18:41

Did anyone else get an email encouraging them to sign up for the conference. I was put off because the registration fee is £25 and it's a lot of money if you are on a low income (£25 is the lower income fee)

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DomesticatedZombie · 04/02/2022 18:56

Signal

'Fees have been set at £40 standard, £25 lower income, £10 unwaged.
There is no set income threshold for the different levels, please choose whichever fee level you feel is appropriate for your situation.'

Choosing the lower fee (£10) is completely justified if £25 is too much for you; that's the whole point of staggered fees, imo.

fromorbit · 04/02/2022 19:01

Remember this assault on Emma is happening before the next set of crucial votes in the Green Spring Conference which the Gender Critical side is on course to win:

"Spring Conference is 4 - 6 March, entirely online and there are important motions to support - Disaffiliation from Stonewall; Ensuring Sex & Gender are Not Conflated. And to oppose - Queerphobia. Cost is £45; £25 low-waged; £10 unwaged. So do attend if you can! And would be great to see you all at Green Party Women events and EGM."

More details:

mailchi.mp/398918b1dbec/what-next-after-election-success

They are trying to drive Gender Critical people out of the Greens before they can vote and move even further forward.

Signalbox · 04/02/2022 19:04

Choosing the lower fee (£10) is completely justified if £25 is too much for you; that's the whole point of staggered fees, imo

I think I'm a bit literal and because they've called it "unwaged" I feel like I'm taking advantage. But really I am a member and I should be able to participate and I can't afford £25.

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DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 04/02/2022 19:09

And here's me thinking the Greens' main concern was the environment. As long as you beleive a man in a dress is an actual woman you're in? Don't beleive and you're a gonner, whilst the earth burns.
Fuck that.

Sexnotgender · 04/02/2022 19:14

Arseholes.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 04/02/2022 20:18

I really struggle to understand which part of gender issues are environmental in nature.

Why is the GP so focussed on this?

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 20:29

[quote fromorbit]People should not resign. We can fight this. We can go to the ERHC if they keep this sexist nonsense up.

Political parties can't discriminate against protected characteristics in the UK the BNP found this out the hard way in 2010. www.equallyours.org.uk/ehrc-legal-action-against-bnp/[/quote]
Of course they can. They can't discriminate on the grounds of race and rightly so but they can certainly discriminate on the grounds of philosophical belief as a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim. You wouldn't expect the Green Party to allow a climate change denier to be a member for example and the courts would almost certainly back that position. If you don't like what a party stands for then don't join, it's that simple.

NecessaryScene · 04/02/2022 20:32

If you don't like what a party stands for then don't join, it's that simple.

Compare and contrast "advice" given by TRAs with the actions of TRAs... Wink

ThatsWhenTheCannibalismStarted · 04/02/2022 20:43

I wish the Greens still cared about the environment

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 20:43

@NecessaryScene

If you don't like what a party stands for then don't join, it's that simple.

Compare and contrast "advice" given by TRAs with the actions of TRAs... Wink

On the contrary if a trans woman joined UKIP or the BNP and got slung out for repeatedly speaking out against their trans hostile policies then I would have no sympathy at all.
TheGreatATuin · 04/02/2022 20:57

On the contrary if a trans woman joined UKIP or the BNP and got slung out for repeatedly speaking out against their trans hostile policies then I would have no sympathy at all.

None of this make sense or is comparative in anyway.

TheGreatATuin · 04/02/2022 21:21

I'm thinking about the amount of public and unevidenced allegations made by activists on twitter against their political opponents, the denigrating language used about them, as well as public conversations about 'doing something', 'doing what I can', and 'seeing results soon'.

From the Green Party Code of Conduct:

13.Infighting & cliques
13.1 Members should not use criticism to hurt, humiliate or belittle, undermine or otherwise attack someone. 'Attack the argument, not the person' is an approach that should be followed in debating situations.

13.2 Members are entitled to disagree but should not treat others adversely or with discourtesy or open hostility due to political opposition.

13.3 Members should refrain from criticising other Party members publicly, including any situations where non-members may be present. If criticism is felt to be necessary, it should be done sensitively and constructively by those given that responsibility. Criticism should be of actions and behaviour or statements etc., not of the person. Avoid labels, name calling and stigmatising a person.

14.Vexatious or malicious complaints
Making a clearly vexatious or malicious complaint; using a complaint as part of a pattern of harassment; clearly abusing the complaint system to attack a personal enemy or political opponent or another person within the Green Party are all forms of unacceptable behaviour.

sanluca · 04/02/2022 21:45

Wait, so the Green Party can 'certainly discriminate on the grounds of philosophical belief' as a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim when it comes to membership of their party but women can't do the same when it comes to services, facilities and sports only for the female sex

All animals are equal, right? Who knew George Orwell got it so right...

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 21:54

@sanluca

Wait, so the Green Party can 'certainly discriminate on the grounds of philosophical belief' as a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim when it comes to membership of their party but women can't do the same when it comes to services, facilities and sports only for the female sex

All animals are equal, right? Who knew George Orwell got it so right...

Well actually they can. It's written into the Equality Act. Of course proportionality and legitimacy have to be established but if they can be then it is legal.
TheGreatATuin · 04/02/2022 21:57

Excluding women because they believe that female people exist isn't proportionate or legitimate. It's just plain nuts

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 22:04

Excluding women because they believe that female people exist isn't proportionate or legitimate.

Of course it is, people get slung out of political parties for opposing the party line all the time - look at how Labour treated Militant. The Green Party are an openly trans inclusive political party that recognises trans women as women, that is their democratically agreed position, if you don't hold that position then don't join, simple as.

Signalbox · 04/02/2022 22:06

Well actually they can. It's written into the Equality Act. Of course proportionality and legitimacy have to be established but if they can be then it is legal.

Lol good luck with that one. Excluding women with incorrect opinions from politics, how very progressive.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2022 22:13

The Green Party are an openly trans inclusive political party that recognises trans women as women, that is their democratically agreed position

It's their agreed position at the moment, it hasn't always been and may not be again, because no one actually "recognised trans women as women" in the terms you mean a few years back. Emma Bateman is an environmentalist, her Green Party activism precedes many of the recent cohort who've glommed on to push gender identity ideology to a not totally willing party membership. Emma Bateman has twice been elected to be co chair of GPW. Why is that?

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 22:14

@Signalbox

Well actually they can. It's written into the Equality Act. Of course proportionality and legitimacy have to be established but if they can be then it is legal.

Lol good luck with that one. Excluding women with incorrect opinions from politics, how very progressive.

She hasn't been excluded from politics, she has been excluded from the Green Party because she repeatedly spoke against the party's position on trans people. She is more than free to join a political party, or even start one up, which actually aligns with her views.
timeisnotaline · 04/02/2022 22:24

Rather than resign right now I would write/call in in support , highlighting her vote share, pointing to their policy and that members don’t understand what has been breached which makes it feel like a dictatorship not a political party- what was the point of your voting if the party doesn’t heed the result?

What has Shahrar been doing?

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