Emma Bateman suspended from Green Party.

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The green party banged nails into their own coffin long ago, not entirely sure if there was any point to them setting fire to it after too, probably just looking for attention to show they still exist, not that anyone cares.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Jesus wept.

Can we get all the sensible GC female politicians to join together and form a party that's focussed on maintaining women's sex based rights, sorting out MVAWG and medical misogyny?

I'd vote for them.

Me too.

So this person Ani is claiming the speakers corner meeting was supporting the ‘sterilisation of others’ - on what basis?

The Green Party are an openly trans inclusive political party that recognises trans women as women

Can someone please explain this - what is it that trans women are recognised as? The word 'woman' has been proved to be effectively meaningless, so what is the shared common factor between people described as 'women'?

@barleybadminton

Excluding women because they believe that female people exist isn't proportionate or legitimate.

Of course it is, people get slung out of political parties for opposing the party line all the time - look at how Labour treated Militant. The Green Party are an openly trans inclusive political party that recognises trans women as women, that is their democratically agreed position, if you don't hold that position then don't join, simple as.

Thank you for making your position clear, Barley.

I'd like every single person who is still on the fence or 'both sides'ing this to read my comment and Barley's response above.
This isnt about women not being fair or inclusive. It's about legitimising the removal of political representation for female people as a class.

Thank you for making your position clear, Barley.

It's so pathetically self-serving. There's no principle there at all. Pure authoritarian bullying all the way down.

"When we disagree with the rules, everyone involved with making them needs to be thrown out of the party and we need to take over and make new rules"

"If anyone disagrees with our new rules, they all need to be thrown out of the party so our rules are not challenged."

Basically, "queer" activists are only "queer" or "ACAB" as long as things aren't going their way. The moment they get their claws into an institution, suddenly it's full authoritarian "crush any individuals in the way of the Party - respect our eternal Law".

And they wonder why people are increasingly hating them so much. We can see how evil and destructive and unprincipled they are just from the way they conduct business, never mind what they actually want to do once they've got the power.

They never actually mean anything they say. They'll just randomly say whatever suits them at the time to get an advantage. Pure psychopathy.

Now, the GC side is much better at this, currently, which is why it appeals so much more to normal decent people. But of course it's easy to be principled when you're not in power. Something you need to keep an eye on.

But on the other hand the character of a movement is self-sustaining. "Queer" activism naturally attracts self-centred authoritarians, whereas GC activism naturally attracts class-conscious anti-authoritarians.

Just to point out: Militant were a Trotskyist group that infiltrated the Labour Party - they weren’t simply a bunch of people who disagreed with party policy.

Inclusion has always been apart of the Green Party of England and Wales, ever since the early days of the Green movement.

‘Inclusion’ is meaningless in that sentence. Obedience to gender-identity ideology is what’s currently being enforced. The gender-identity movement did not exist in the early days of the Green movement, nor for most of its existence.

Necessary scene has outlined the position nicely.

There is a battle for the soul of the Greens and the GC side, while we outnumber our opponents they are way more ruthless than we are because they love authority, while the biggest section of the party is neutral and doesn't understand the issues. e can hope to win them over.

To get rid of all the Gender Critical part of the membership, about a third of the active members, the entire constitution of the party will have to change along with its membership. That is a big ask.

That is what this fight is about right now. Losing the Greens is not set in stone at all. More importantly the battle is the greatest illustration of the strength of the cause.

They still don't understand the more they attack women, the more more they cast them out, the more powerful they become. The thing about witches is they always, always come back. There is always more of them. Because setting a witch on fire just makes more people turn to witchcraft.

Even if we lose this battle then witches will return in greater numbers for the next one. Our biggest problem is organisation. Our opponents, superficially diverse, all think alike. Meanwhile look at our side as you say we are class-conscious anti-authoritarians. we have created dozens of separate organisations , all great orgs don't get me wrong. However we keep drifting in different directions. We come together to do a series of things then we wander off again.

Every time it is like we are taken by surprise by some awful thing - we swarm it and then people drift off. That is why people like Emma and Ali are so important they are focused on this fight everyone can see what is happening and it drags people in.

I have left a Greens a messege on their home page.

I did unfortunately vote for them from time to time in local elections, never will again and I will warn others not to.

"I am very disappointed to hear that you have suspended Emma Bateman for supporting Womens Rights, and thus making yourselves a party I can no longer vote for at local or general elections.

And I ask what has happened to the party that you have forgotten your reasons for being? you are the Green Party your sole focus should be the environment and the threat of climate change, you should be focusing on policies to help save the environment, not systematically alienating all female voters and party members."

@KimThomas

Just to point out: Militant were a Trotskyist group that infiltrated the Labour Party - they weren’t simply a bunch of people who disagreed with party policy.

No you mean real labour party members not the centrist infiltrators that have ruined the party today and made it a true shadow Tory party.

They will never have the vote of this proud Socialist as long as the current lot of right wing snakes are in charge.

Fromorbit makes excellent points.

There are a large number of GC members. Many others don't know about the issues.

The most sensible approach is to remain in the party and use democracy.

If anyone fancies joining please do so.

Maybe the party needs to split in two, like the Liberals did some years ago. We could have a Green Party, which focuses on the environment and a Rainbow Party, which focuses on Queer Theory.

@Cattenberg

Maybe the party needs to split in two, like the Liberals did some years ago. We could have a Green Party, which focuses on the environment and a Rainbow Party, which focuses on Queer Theory.

This seems to be what is happening in all organisations that are vulnerable to the queer theory agenda. Initially people go along with it because they think it’s progressive and kind and what harm can it do. I’ve heard people say “how did we sleep walk into that”? Before they know it they find themselves being kicked out of organisations that they themselves set up, and have dedicated their lives to. All the work has been done, the reputations have already been made and they are falling one by one to the queer theory activists who are never overt about what they want, but they slowly manipulate and undermine what the organisation stood for in the first place. The only thing to do at that point is to start again but at that point you need to be clear that queer theory has no place in your organisation and this results in endless accusations of transphobia, ad hominem attacks and lies about what you stand for.

Did the greens have a vote to decide that twaw?

And why can't they have another vote to overturn that decision?

It seems that the second a gc woman who has been elected to a woman's lead position on women's rights, that there is a pulling of policy from above to then disbarr her and prevent any sort of democratic debate.

Its almost like women are not allowed to vote freely on this and must tow the already decided line.

I'm thinking that we actually need a lot more than the reinstatement of Emma and for Shahrar to win against the complaints this weekend.
This has revealed there is something deeply rotten in the heart of the Green Party.
There should be zero circumstances in which individuals are able to get political opponents suspended and effectively removed from their positions simply by making complaints against them, and without the people affected even receiving the evidence against them.
We need to be able to trust that the Greens will respect the democractic process, and not try underhanded tactics to force themselves into positions that they have not won, whether this is in small internal elections or at the highest levels of government.
Right now, that trust has been completely eroded and that is incredibly serious.
I'm wondering if we need to band together and call for an independent enquiry into the targeting of political opponents in the Green Party.

Good points, GreatATuin.

The whole complaints process needs to be transparent and have proper checks and balances. Who decides whether to suspend? Does there need to be evidence?

Shahrar Ali sacked from his role as party spokesperson now as well. Good to see the Greens finally getting their house in order and taking action against people who undermine their policies.

Sad to see what should be a significant political party in this mess. But after their very early capture by individuals openly advocating for paedophilia (one now jailed) I think they're a lost cause. They failed to take action after that lengthy investigation into their safeguarding disasters so I think it's reasonable to assume that their current toxic attitudes to women and women's rights reflect that early capture.

Pleased to see Shahrar has made his target. I'd very much like to see what a judge makes of it.

Is there any chance of Emma, Ali and others like them setting up an environmentalist party? A real one, focusing above all on the environment?

I’m a socialist, but would gladly support a party that had room for people of other political outlooks as long as they all centred the environment. Leave other opinions at the door. This is too important.

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

Is there any chance of Emma, Ali and others like them setting up an environmentalist party? A real one, focusing above all on the environment?

I’m a socialist, but would gladly support a party that had room for people of other political outlooks as long as they all centred the environment. Leave other opinions at the door. This is too important.

There's no really good reason a party centered around the environment needs to be socialist. For a long time in Canada the Green Party was very centrist in it's policies. Not always in the sense of being middle of the road, but they drew policy ideas from across the board. For a while the leader was a conservative. And Elizabeth May, who was one of the founders and a long time leader, though not a conservative herself, worked for the Conservative Party under Brian Mulroney and was involved with some of the most significant environmental legislation Canada ever passed. More meaningful by far than the performative stuff Justin Trudeau has done.

That's all done now, they mostly go in for state socialist policy and super woke identity politics.

Caring about the environment does seem to fit more easily with left-wing views e.g.

The power of corporations (and the super-rich) should be restricted.
The plight of impoverished people in developing countries should be a priority.

The problem with a party focusing solely on the environment is that any elected MPs would have to vote on a wide range of policies.

As a member of the Green Party, what can I do?? Just complain a lot? But to who specifically? or is there something more formal I can do.

Emma is asking for more active help from members. You could contact her