A third female teenager I know has transitioned.

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This one is only 15, the others were 18, all changing to live as men. I also have a male cousin who transitioned to live as a woman in middle age a few years back. A friend's male partner has transitioned to nonbinary in their 30s.

I'm a very ordinary suburban woman in my 50s. Is this low numbers? High?

I’ve had to create an account just now, purely with the purpose of commenting on this forum post.
I think it’s absolutely disgusting how much transphobia I’m seeing on this page and the entire website as a whole.

Now I understand that some generations are less open to the ideas and (scientifically backed) studies regarding transgenderism, body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria, but whether you agree or not with transgenderism in an objective or subjective manner, I believe it’s worrying to see how invasive and rude a large number of people are with regards to the people around them and their children.

To comment on somebody else’s transition in such a blunt and often antagonising manner is not alright and shouldn’t exist on this platform.

There are far too many posts from people purposefully mis-gendering and using phrases such as “who is apparently a man now” and “who thinks she’s a girl now” etc. This type of discussion is extremely demeaning and serves to try and undermine the very real struggles that come with gender dysmorphia and any individual’s journey with their gender identity.

Additionally, there is a huge issue with people being afraid of their children interacting with those who have transitioned, or are in the process of transitioning. To teach your children that these types of people should avoided only serves to further increase the amount of bullying and abuse that is already a huge issue for trans people.

If one thing should be taken from this, please just treat these people with common decency, use the pronouns they choose, do not inquire deeply about their personal transition unless they’re comfortable discussing it, and perhaps don’t spread rhetoric along the lines of “oh it’s just teenage angst” as it is objectively far deeper than that.

There are quite a few at my daughter's school. One of her very close friends is a non-binary demigirl apparently which sounds to me like far too much internet with very little supervision.

Demi? Half sized or inferior? What a dreadful way to describe yourself.

Too much internet.

This type of discussion is extremely demeaning and serves to try and undermine the very real struggles that come with gender dysmorphia and any individual’s journey with their gender identity.

But it's a joke - many of these people are not suffering from any sort of gender dysphoria, they are responding to fashion. I was taken the piss out of at the same age for being a goth and while some people never grow out of being goths - and more power to their elbows - lots do because it's a passing fashion trend. The problem with this particular trend is it can lead to very real physical damage. It needs more than just the piss being taken out of it.

@MumstheWordle

I’ve had to create an account just now, purely with the purpose of commenting on this forum post. I think it’s absolutely disgusting how much transphobia I’m seeing on this page and the entire website as a whole.

Now I understand that some generations are less open to the ideas and (scientifically backed) studies regarding transgenderism, body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria, but whether you agree or not with transgenderism in an objective or subjective manner, I believe it’s worrying to see how invasive and rude a large number of people are with regards to the people around them and their children.

To comment on somebody else’s transition in such a blunt and often antagonising manner is not alright and shouldn’t exist on this platform.

There are far too many posts from people purposefully mis-gendering and using phrases such as “who is apparently a man now” and “who thinks she’s a girl now” etc. This type of discussion is extremely demeaning and serves to try and undermine the very real struggles that come with gender dysmorphia and any individual’s journey with their gender identity.

Additionally, there is a huge issue with people being afraid of their children interacting with those who have transitioned, or are in the process of transitioning. To teach your children that these types of people should avoided only serves to further increase the amount of bullying and abuse that is already a huge issue for trans people.

If one thing should be taken from this, please just treat these people with common decency, use the pronouns they choose, do not inquire deeply about their personal transition unless they’re comfortable discussing it, and perhaps don’t spread rhetoric along the lines of “oh it’s just teenage angst” as it is objectively far deeper than that.

Report the transphobia when you see it, and MN will take down the offending post.

@MumstheWordle

I’ve had to create an account just now, purely with the purpose of commenting on this forum post. I think it’s absolutely disgusting how much transphobia I’m seeing on this page and the entire website as a whole.

Now I understand that some generations are less open to the ideas and (scientifically backed) studies regarding transgenderism, body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria, but whether you agree or not with transgenderism in an objective or subjective manner, I believe it’s worrying to see how invasive and rude a large number of people are with regards to the people around them and their children.

To comment on somebody else’s transition in such a blunt and often antagonising manner is not alright and shouldn’t exist on this platform.

There are far too many posts from people purposefully mis-gendering and using phrases such as “who is apparently a man now” and “who thinks she’s a girl now” etc. This type of discussion is extremely demeaning and serves to try and undermine the very real struggles that come with gender dysmorphia and any individual’s journey with their gender identity.

Additionally, there is a huge issue with people being afraid of their children interacting with those who have transitioned, or are in the process of transitioning. To teach your children that these types of people should avoided only serves to further increase the amount of bullying and abuse that is already a huge issue for trans people.

If one thing should be taken from this, please just treat these people with common decency, use the pronouns they choose, do not inquire deeply about their personal transition unless they’re comfortable discussing it, and perhaps don’t spread rhetoric along the lines of “oh it’s just teenage angst” as it is objectively far deeper than that.

this is satire isnt it?

🙄 you haven't "had" to at all. You just wanted to come on here and berate people for holding different views to you. Dreary. We've heard it all before. Multiple times.

That's for @MumstheWordle obviously.

It must be satire.

It's an anonymous forum, and no one has been named (as is right and proper). Just because you disagree doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to express concern about current trends (and IMO reasonable concern). And I say this as someone who would have absolutely jumped to transition had it been normalized 40 years ago.

I work with teens.
Over the last four years we have gone from zero talking to transitioning to quite a few. I'm think maybe 17. They completely changed their appearance, got upset if we accidentally used their 'dead name'.We had to call them by the pronoun of their choosing at CIN meetings etc etc. They were referred to agencies to get further info about how to medically start transitioning.
Every single one reverted back to as they were within 9 months max.

This why I am horrified at how much support is quickly given to young teens who had previously shown no interest in being or wanting to be the opposite gender to what they are.

DS peer group and also friends dc, age range is 14 to 21. We have 3 lads that are gay, no trans leanings at all. There is one other born male who has said they are trans. They had been under investigation for years on and off for Autism and other health issues. Their Mum hinted at many issues but maybe to respect privacy she never fully opened up and fair enough. This young person literally never leaves the house and as far as I’m aware never had any real life friends though they had some online ones. They were bullied at school.

I think it’s important that this issue is discussed and people are aware of it. I’m all for greater public awareness around the social contagion aspects as well as understanding the distress gender dysphoria can cause.

@Jacaranda75

This is really telling - so many of these girls seem to be trying to escape being a woman, not validating an inner feeling that they are male.

@GroggyLegs and THIS is why so many of us were anorexic in the 1980s. I firmly believe gender dysphoria in girls is the new anorexia.

Couldn't agree more. Out with size 0 , in with pronouns

What do you mean 'just gay'?

what I mean is, the clubs were set up to support gay kids, but being gay is considered to be boring and none of them now identify as gay, they identify as a rainbow of genders. The fact that the club was founded for gay kids has been lost under the avalanche of trans stuff.

I would say that my dd1, a typical 'butch' gay woman has been hoodwinked into thinking that she is actually a man.

I totally agree with you about the clubs. LGB spaces have vanished and instead these young people are being fed this whole trans ideology.
I find it heartbreaking.

@notacooldad

I work with teens. Over the last four years we have gone from zero talking to transitioning to quite a few. I'm think maybe 17. They completely changed their appearance, got upset if we accidentally used their 'dead name'.We had to call them by the pronoun of their choosing at CIN meetings etc etc. They were referred to agencies to get further info about how to medically start transitioning. Every single one reverted back to as they were within 9 months max. This why I am horrified at how much support is quickly given to young teens who had previously shown no interest in being or wanting to be the opposite gender to what they are.

I'm glad the kids you are working with reverted back.

Unfortunately within my girls friendship groups, they are not reverting back, they are continuing.

@steppemum
Unfortunately within my girls friendship groups, they are not reverting back unfortunately

How long have they been like this. We had one boy who was adamant he wanted to be female and was like this for about two and half years before he decided he didnt. Most went back around the 18 month mark or when something significant happened eg leaving school and starting college or a complete change of friendship groups.

We've noticed it isn't happening as much now. Things seem to come to our service as trends.

I'm a lesbian and DD used to have another girl in her class with lesbian mums. Now one of the mums has transitioned to male.

3 non binaries in my close friendship circle. All born female. All lovely people but immature and a little narcissistic.

Went to school with MTF transsexual - transitioned in the late 90s. Is horrified by trans activism now.

Numerous acquaintances who are on a medical path. Mostly FTM.

I've noticed strangers who I see often (people who work in the local supermarket, doctors surgery etc) who I don't know by name but who are transitioning. One day they are a young woman with short hair, the next time I see them they have grown a beard. They all seem pretty young, late teens / early 20s.

@MumstheWordle

I’m interested to know whether you deliberately chose to use the word ‘dysmorphia’ in your post (you used it twice) or whether it was a typo/autocorrect?

As I’m sure you know, dysmorphia is not a word commonly used by trans people to describe their experience. They usually talk about gender dysphoria. They are two quite different things.

If you deliberately used ‘dysmorphia’, you might have more in common with us horrible transphobes than you think.

Are girls who would traditionally have been lesbians now being encouraged to think they are men? Or should they have been male and not lesbians at all?

The trans kids I am familiar with are all, I would say, on the autistic spectrum, and had difficulties before they decided to adopt another gender. Were they confused because of gender dysphoria, or is the trans thing a way to be different in a currently socially embraced way?

The women I know who were ‘masculine’ as children are mostly merrily lesbian now. None trans.

Apologies. Genuine mistake on my part there. Cheers for the heads up

@KittenKong

That sounds like normal teen angst though. Add onto that the constant barrage of gender and rainbows, it must be intolerable for young people.

Normal teen angst usually passed with time though. Suicides seem to have become more common in recent years (probably due to social media) but otherwise no permanent damage was done. Now though teenagers are being encouraged to make life-altering choices such as drugs and surgery.

@MumstheWordle

Apologies. Genuine mistake on my part there. Cheers for the heads up

No worries.

I’m a teacher. The trajectory over the last 6 years for us has been a gradual trickle of ftm students, always either the most damaged students in the year or autistic. Since lockdown we have now got 70+ non binary students in school (from 1 previously). All apart from one biologically female, all the kids who would have been emo, goth etc when I started in teaching. Can’t really understand why people are nodding along with this in society - this is clearly a harmful social contagion.