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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joe McGann ‘deletes Twitter account after trans row with Hollyoaks co-star Annie Wallace’

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TheCurrywurstPrion · 31/01/2022 21:12

metro.co.uk/2022/01/30/joe-mcgann-leaves-twitter-after-trans-row-with-co-star-annie-wallace-16014900/

Quite a balanced article, I think. Doesn’t Metro normally steer clear of this type of topic too?

Not many comments so far, but as yet, they’re all Team Joe.

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TheCurrywurstPrion · 01/02/2022 12:27

Thanks Banana

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upcycletrycycle · 01/02/2022 13:50

@JustcameoutGC

Call the midwife is a feminist marvel. I watched it accidentally once and was flabbergasted by hard core feminist issues & racism were being tackled head on, on a 'cosy' Sunday night bbc show. I reallly recommend it. Good to know the connection to the McGanns. Paul McGann in the Monocled Mutineer gave rise to my first stirrings of lust.
I have THe MM on DVD. Always a good reminder of my early teenage crush. I had a scrap book and everything! I've struggled to find anything Joe M has done wrong. Stephen M is the king of mansplaining on call the midwife. Maybe Annie would like to take the argument there...
BraveBananaBadge · 01/02/2022 16:17

We "did a real number" on Annie this week, apparently.

MN is trending on Twitter because we're all awful after the webchat, and this was a doozy among vast swathes of wilful misunderstandings.

Joe McGann ‘deletes Twitter account after trans row with Hollyoaks co-star Annie Wallace’
KittenKong · 01/02/2022 16:18

No self awareness whatsoever. Hopefully people are looking and actually seeing now.

Clymene · 01/02/2022 18:09

Annie Wallace uses a terfblocker as I'm blocked and I've never heard of Wallace until this thread.

All woman until there are women expressing unpleasant truths

dolorsit · 01/02/2022 18:24

Gosh, a thread with 57 posts, of which at least 10 are discussing the merits of the McGann brothers and/or call the midwife is "doing a number"

Let's hope no one offers a grip or a biscuit. Thoughts and prayers.

donquixotedelamancha · 01/02/2022 20:17

We "did a real number" on Annie this week, apparently.

Annie thinks she's being criticised because she's trans but anyone on MN who posted that they publicly told off a former colleague with MH issues because he retweeted things she doesn't agree with would get bloody short shrift on here.

You being a dick is nothing to do with you being trans, Annie.

donquixotedelamancha · 01/02/2022 20:18

Gosh, a thread with 57 posts, of which at least 10 are discussing the merits of the McGann brothers and/or call the midwife is "doing a number"

In fairness, a quick Google suggests this is the most famous she's ever been.

CompleteGinasaur · 01/02/2022 20:20

Crybully, Crybully, look at meee...

NitroNine · 01/02/2022 23:16

Particularly, donquixotedelamancha, were they to let slip, that they had held off on this public attack until said former colleague’s marriage breakdown (something that happened before lockdown 1 in 2020, no less) was being dragged through the gutter press.

That’s not just kicking someone who’s down; it’s booting the bloke right in his balls with steel toecapped footwear-of-choice on.

Annie has now shown a level of emotional fragility (this thread to the time of her tweet being considered by her to be “doing a real number on” her) that demonstrates she has a very real need to develop some resilience rather than expect others to bend to her. If anything, being a women generally means doing a lot of the bending, even if it’s just to keep your cats happy.

Also: trans people have the right to express that certain people, places & situations are making them uncomfortable; & if they are actually being bullied or harassed in any way, to stand up to & speak out against the person[s] responsible. But on the same terms as everyone else, which include being told [in officialese] that you’re just being wet & need to betake yourself to one of this nation’s many fine purveyors of grips & clues & avail yourself of their services. Potentially making a purchase next time a door-to-door shame salesman knocks, too... You can’t try to get someone fired because they Wrongthink; if you commit criminal damage it is, er, a crime; don’t use smoke bombs at Grenfell; don’t draw obscene graffiti; don’t make death threats (or rape threats, or threaten any other kind of violence)… Please note I’m NOT saying Annie has done anything on that last list, it is a more general comment on a pattern of problematic behaviour that hers is linked to.

Even now I am still slightly staggered that so many people are apparently untroubled by the cognitive dissonance of “I have the right to dictate what others discuss & with whom they associate + these books are wrong & shouldn’t be read/this line of research is forbidden/academics who advocate for ideas I do not like deserve to live in fear” vs “I’m an anti-fascist!” Hmm

BootsAndRoots · 01/02/2022 23:37

@KittenKong

Metro steers right at such topics and is rarely balanced.
Absolutely, one of their regular columnists works for a TRA organisation, argues that violence against people who disagree is justified (and calls them all far-right extremists).

Moderation of Metro comments is very forceful around the subject too.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 01/02/2022 23:44

What an absolute narcissist Wallace comes across as.

LondonWolf · 03/02/2022 14:12

I was pissed off to see this. I like JM, he's liked a couple of my tweets and seems like a lovely bloke.

As for AI really hope their career is over now. Who's going to want to employ such a trouble maker as this? They'll steer well clear if they've got any sense.

viques · 03/02/2022 14:39

@DonnieDark

I can't find the comment under the article, when I click the speech bubble it just takes me down the page to a loads of links to other stories?
The comments are quite a way down, but worth finding as they are very supportive of Joe in a reasonable and rational way, no emotion, no drama, just common sense.
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