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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joe McGann ‘deletes Twitter account after trans row with Hollyoaks co-star Annie Wallace’

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TheCurrywurstPrion · 31/01/2022 21:12

metro.co.uk/2022/01/30/joe-mcgann-leaves-twitter-after-trans-row-with-co-star-annie-wallace-16014900/

Quite a balanced article, I think. Doesn’t Metro normally steer clear of this type of topic too?

Not many comments so far, but as yet, they’re all Team Joe.

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Grasping · 01/02/2022 06:43

@CompleteGinasaur

Just looked them up, they're all still very much alive. Bit of a dynasty, actually. Paul was once a Doctor Who and Stephen's been in Call The Midwife since it started. Probably not a good choice of victim for a bully, you don't get much better connected unless you're a Redgrave, I think!
Stephens wife, Heidi Thomas, writes Call The Midwife
Datun · 01/02/2022 06:47

It's telling how Annie has no idea that they come across as an entitled bully who Joe should defer to. Zero self awareness.

NancyDrawed · 01/02/2022 06:51

This comment below the article nails it:

"I told you to stop agreeing with people I disagree with. But you didn't cave in to my bullying, and that makes me the victim."

SpikeySmooth · 01/02/2022 07:05

My husband used to ve Joe's postie, and can concur, he's a good, friendly bloke. When he's stressed out he polishes his car, so it must be gleaming right now.

Annie is very entitled.

DonnieDark · 01/02/2022 07:28

I can't find the comment under the article, when I click the speech bubble it just takes me down the page to a loads of links to other stories?

TheCurrywurstPrion · 01/02/2022 07:29

I reread it again after my first post where I gave my first impression that it’s a balanced article. It struck me, when I read it again, that it is only balanced in that they expressed no opinion on whether Wallace’s position was reasonable or otherwise. They presented the arguments made and allowed the reader to draw their own conclusions.

The lack of self-reflection is fascinating. My guess, from what IS said, is that McGann was quietly supporting women, and Wallace chose to raise it. McGann chose not to make an issue of the request, but continued to hold and express his views (as is obviously his right).

So quietly retweeting women’s rights activists, without in any way directing it at Wallace, or drawing it to Wallace’s attention, was sufficient grounds for Wallace to push him to stop doing so.

When McGann, without fanfare, continued, Wallace (presumably realising that any official complaint would be dismissed for obvious reasons) stopped commenting directly to McGann. And rather than moving on (as most normal people would, over a political difference with colleagues) Wallace frames that as “calming the waters”. If the waters required calming, it was entirely due to waves Wallace had created.

Impossible to check who restarted the row on Twitter, but I’d be willing to bet that it was Wallace and that McGann did nothing more than continue to express quiet support for women’s rights.

So this is not so much balanced reporting, as giving someone enough rope to hang themselves. I hope the openness to do so continues.

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JustcameoutGC · 01/02/2022 07:33

Call the midwife is a feminist marvel. I watched it accidentally once and was flabbergasted by hard core feminist issues & racism were being tackled head on, on a 'cosy' Sunday night bbc show. I reallly recommend it. Good to know the connection to the McGanns. Paul McGann in the Monocled Mutineer gave rise to my first stirrings of lust.

Datun · 01/02/2022 07:42

Impossible to check who restarted the row on Twitter, but I’d be willing to bet that it was Wallace and that McGann did nothing more than continue to express quiet support for women’s rights.

Yes, wallace appears annoyed that Joe retweets 'without comment'. Presumably because the tweets in question aren't something wallace is confident dismantling, so wanted joe to write something himself.

Not a good look.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/02/2022 08:02

Yes, wallace appears annoyed that Joe retweets 'without comment'. Presumably because the tweets in question aren't something wallace is confident dismantling, so wanted joe to write something himself

Yes, Joe gave nothing for Wallace to be able to say joe said mean things because he hasn't.
He simply agrees with female rights.

waterlego · 01/02/2022 08:14

@Datun

Impossible to check who restarted the row on Twitter, but I’d be willing to bet that it was Wallace and that McGann did nothing more than continue to express quiet support for women’s rights.

Yes, wallace appears annoyed that Joe retweets 'without comment'. Presumably because the tweets in question aren't something wallace is confident dismantling, so wanted joe to write something himself.

Not a good look.

Yes, definitely! Sounds like Annie took umbrage at what Joe was quietly supporting, and that Joe made great efforts not to engage with Annie’s attempts to discuss it face to face. Perhaps because Joe wanted to ‘be kind’, (as we all know this is what we must do) or because he realised it would be pointless and that Annie would likely turn it into a big thing in which Annie was a victim.

So Annie is attempting to be a victim anyway, even without any evidence of bullying or wrongdoing on Joe’s part. How frustrating for Annie that Joe’s response was to simply delete his Twitter!

Also chuckling at the arrogance of Annie’s ‘None of it sank in’. He just wasn’t interested in your attempts to whip up drama, love.

AndAnotherNewOne · 01/02/2022 08:23

So much whining.

That person has become even more ridiculous as it goes on. Laughable.

KittenKong · 01/02/2022 08:24

It’s also a pretty well worn tactic. Actor who isn’t well known, career isn’t exactly on fire, takes public swipes at well known successful actor to get their name on the paper.

SamphiretheStickerist · 01/02/2022 08:29

Oh, it was balanced all right. Look at it again. A HUGE amount of self serving drivel from one side and , in the absence of Joe's Twitter feed, a bold, red list of the insane shit Annie is referring to as 'bad things'.

A quick read of the article gives you:

Wah! Wah! Wah! WTAF?!?!?! Wah! Wah! Wah!

And when I was a small kid I must have played out with Stephen and sister Clare, knock down ginger and general running away games, for about 5 years, whenever we went back to grandparents and were thrown out of the house to play.

And yes, Paul McGann as Percy Topliss Smile

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/02/2022 08:30

Thread from last year about the preposterous Hollyoaks storyline with Annie Wallace's character being attacked by women in prison ( it's implied they are GC).

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4291061-hollyoaks

teawamutu · 01/02/2022 08:31

@NancyDrawed

This comment below the article nails it:

"I told you to stop agreeing with people I disagree with. But you didn't cave in to my bullying, and that makes me the victim."

Gorgeous. You love to see it.
BraveBananaBadge · 01/02/2022 09:04

@KittenKong

It’s also a pretty well worn tactic. Actor who isn’t well known, career isn’t exactly on fire, takes public swipes at well known successful actor to get their name on the paper.
Yes the timing is suspect as I mentioned on the thread in chat. He's already been in the tabloids this week after the Mail put a nasty and untrue spin on a story about his private life. More eyes on him than usual. I wonder if Annie would have tried to go in for the kill otherwise. It seems rather opportunistic.

McGann has always shown class standing up for women's rights. I have previously wondered what opened his eyes to the issue.

NitroNine · 01/02/2022 10:44

Yes, odd that someone with a history of depression so severe he was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia when most unwell might decide to disengage completely from a platform that will allow users to give him a kicking.

Stephen McGann is either in line with the TWAW & TMAM view or pretending to be (presumably as politically expedient for someone working at the BBC). If he is A True Believer* this article could cause fraternal friction, if not an actual falling-out.

The entire article really is “you were RTing people who were defending women’s rights; I made up what your QTs might have been (& they were DREADFUL, HOW DARE IMAGINARY YOU SAY THOSE THINGS?!); I took it upon myself to tell you stop it; & not only did you continue while we worked together, YOU’RE STILL AT IT NOW!” Obviously the “distress” it caused Annie was so severe that she forgot she could unfollow Joe. Or indeed block the accounts he was RTing, having first reported them (obviously I don’t think Maya et al should be reported, but if you genuinely consider an account is producing hateful content that is distressing to you, it’s on you to report & block).

The article certainly insinuated that there was workplace bullying: I hope Annie didn’t only confirm to her fans that this wasn’t the case because she knows other cast members would support Joe & that the absence of any report would look bad.

I note she’s hitched her story to “the HO racism accusations”, too. People who do this stuff need to stop trying to pretend they are anything other than straight-up racist equating black women & trans women. None of this “oh, but it’s a pattern of discrimination”. You don’t know that; & when you’re only ever tying those two concerns together (with the occasional grab at the sex-based oppression experienced by women to try to bolster the idea TWAW) We. See. You. Angry

  • though someone who has an MSc in Science Communication as well as playing a GP specialising in obstetrics really ought to at least have some serious questions about that Hmm
RedToothBrush · 01/02/2022 11:03

@CompleteGinasaur

So. He was "perfectly nice", it "was not workplace bullying", but simply "differences of opinion on trans issues". So where is the need, what is the justification for this retrospective chucking of toys out of the pram? Didn't we get rid of "No Debate"?
This is where it should start and end.

Everything else is attacking him for having a difference of opinion which has been perfectly respectful.

FOJN · 01/02/2022 11:12

Everything else is attacking him for having a difference of opinion which has been perfectly respectful.

Treating someone respectfully simply isn't enough, this is thought policing by the Twitter mob.

TheCurrywurstPrion · 01/02/2022 11:13

@BraveBananaBadge Could you link the thread in Chat please? I can’t see a related thread (though I only checked the first page).

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Gumbomambo · 01/02/2022 11:21

Just no need for this to be done publicly. Don’t Hollyoaks train them how to use their Twitter accounts. Incidentally I did piss myself at call the midwife about two weeks ago when they laughingly sent a man away who wanted his cervix checked. They did point out that only women have a cervix.

BraveBananaBadge · 01/02/2022 11:32

[quote TheCurrywurstPrion]@BraveBananaBadge Could you link the thread in Chat please? I can’t see a related thread (though I only checked the first page).[/quote]
It came up briefly on this thread the other day:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4465328-Aaargh-Im-so-fucking-angry-right-now

Mollyollydolly · 01/02/2022 11:32

Joe is a good guy. He follows a lot of women (including me) on twitter and has been aware of this debate for a good while. Saw him in 'Blood Brothers' a million years ago and was a bit obsessed with it. I hope he comes back to twitter. Being a bloke he's avoided any blowback up to now. Have a lot of time for him.

KittenKong · 01/02/2022 11:40

Sounds like a bit of jealousy mixed in as well as attention seeking. Who would have a clue who this actor was if they hadn’t been out on teatime telly purely because of their character as a trans woman? Not that anyone can actually act on that show.

AgnesWaterhouse1566 · 01/02/2022 12:24

I'm just hopping on this thread as I wanted to make sure there was a McGann Brothers/Percy Topliss reference. And there is. Good. 😁