Reading recommendations: Ray Blanchard's Reasesrch

[Femisaurus]

I'm currently reading Trans and have Material Girls in my tbr pile.

I found the chapter on Blanchard and Bailey (around autogynephilia) really interesting and I understand they got a lot of abuse for it. What I'd like to do is understand the opinions of those who oppose Blanchard's theories. I know this may not be something that will go down well in FWR but whilst I'm most definitely GC I feel a need to understand the counter arguments (and I'm intrigued by them). I feel having balanced information is key to being able to speak confidently on a subject.

So, are there any books that cover this subject or the "other side" of the debate?

I have of course looked on Amazon but can see some reviews warning of incorrect stats. Whilst I want to understand the other side, I also want to make sure what I'm reading is factual.

Also any GC book recommendations would be most welcome.

@TurquoiseBaubles

Bloody hell, I've been deleted for pointing out that one person has attempted to monopolise this thread

Threads on this topic are always very closely monitored.

@TurquoiseBaubles

Bloody hell, I've been deleted for pointing out that one person has attempted to monopolise this thread

I have not attempted to monopolise this thread, if I have posted on it a lot that's largely due to beig interrogated by one poster who repeatedly demanded I answer questions I had just answered.

Also the op asked for the other side of the argument and it didn't seem like many people were willing to provide it.

You've posted almost a third of the posts on a 130 post thread. I do think taking a step back and accepting that maybe, just maybe, you are overinvested would be a good idea.

I expect this will be deleted too, as obviously no criticism is allowed.

It's an interesting pattern when people do as much as they can to silence women being abused and then say "well there's not many of you speaking up is there!"

if I have posted on it a lot that's largely due to beig interrogated by one poster who repeatedly demanded I answer questions I had just answered.

If you're referring to me, you never answered my question.

Either you didn't understand it (go back and read it again - including the preceding sentences) or you decided that you didn't want to answer it and gave an answer to a different question which I hadn't asked.

@TurquoiseBaubles

You've posted almost a third of the posts on a 130 post thread. I do think taking a step back and accepting that maybe, just maybe, you are overinvested would be a good idea.

I expect this will be deleted too, as obviously no criticism is allowed.

Is this the latest technique to try and force trans supportive views off this forum? Bombard someone with questions then accuse them of dominating the thread if they answer them.

No it isn't. We can all read whats been written.

No, it isn't. But it's interesting to see what threads some people are invested in, and how much effort they make to dismiss the opinions of people who are actually affected by the issues.

Anyone with any manners at all would refrain from speaking to Tinsel the way you have done on this thread, and anyone with any sense would realise that if you have to shout over others (in quantity if not in quality) the way you do, there just might be something amiss with your argument.

I reject you calling your posts "trans-supportive" by the way, especially if you are implying that no-one else on this thread is supportive of anyone who identifies as trans. Your posts are not generally supportive of trans people. They may well be "supportive" of men who identify as trans and want to over-ride women's rights, but in general your posts are (often aggressively) merely anti-women.

I suspect there are a fair few trans people who read your posts and are pretty pissed off at how enlightening they are.

@TurquoiseBaubles

No, it isn't. But it's interesting to see what threads some people are invested in, and how much effort they make to dismiss the opinions of people who are actually affected by the issues.

Anyone with any manners at all would refrain from speaking to Tinsel the way you have done on this thread, and anyone with any sense would realise that if you have to shout over others (in quantity if not in quality) the way you do, there just might be something amiss with your argument.

I didn't dismiss Tinsel's opinions, I asked her a very polite question which she chose not to answer which is her right. Instead she made a snide sexualised comment which I presume was intended to refer to the genitals she thinks I have, which didn't seem to me to be in the spirit of respectful debate.

@TinselAngel

It's an interesting pattern when people do as much as they can to silence women being abused and then say "well there's not many of you speaking up is there!"

Exactly.

Woman's experience of speaking out is to be sent rape threats, death threats, violent threats, to be actually treated to violence, reported to their employers, publicly doxxed and reported to the police.

Barley obviously has no idea about any of this, so perhaps they should refrain from making generalisations about the number of women talking about it publicly.

Quite. Given I've had internet death threats it's not surprising some women feel they can't speak out, and that's before we consider the direct threat from their exes.

One trans widow I know quite well who has spoken out (not in this country) is actually in hiding at present due to the combined threat of her ex and online TRAs who know where she lives.

Barley, I don't agree with you but this has been an interesting debate. Good to have someone from outside the bubble.

I think sometimes, in some threads, there can be a goal of some posters to just overwhelm the thread so that people give up on the conversation.

@TinselAngel

Over 100 posts on this thread, and no recognition of the paramount importance of trans widows to this debate

It's an important thing to remember, but I'm also thinking about the parents who lose their sons, the siblings who lose their brothers etc.

For families it is particularly hard to take, especially when the heterosexual man in question has shown no effeminate behaviour before.

I find it worrying that some people believe that the desire to transition is 100% correct, even worrying that we believe that the combination medical and surgical procedures (invented in the past 100 years) is the correct cause of action to take and that it is natural.

Transitioning works for some, but I don't believe it is correct for AGP individuals, and they are the people most likely to express regret over transition.

"I don't believe it is correct for AGP individuals, and they are the people most likely to express regret over transition."

I expect it's actually their families, especially the wives and children whose lives they shatter, who are more likely to express regret

Transitioning works for some, but I don't believe it is correct for AGP individuals, and they are the people most likely to express regret over transition.

I'd need to see some evidence of this. Most detransitioners that I'm aware of are young, gay women.