Lia Thomas (again)

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Reports that Lia Thomas has been exposing themselves to female team mates and that they have complained and been ignored on multiple occasions...

"While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there’s a decent amount of nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts."

"She stated that team members have raised their concern with the coach, trying to get Thomas ousted from the female locker room, but got nowhere."

"Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own locker room."

"It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem to care how it makes anyone else feel,' the swimmer continued. 'The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for, like, the feelings of one."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html#comments

Why can't Lia use another changing room?

Still waiting.

So being exposed to an unwanted male penis is ok, because it is ONLY once?

We have only heard the opinion of one student filtered through the medium of the Daily Mail.

The article directly quotes much of what she said so not as much filtering as you might like to make out.. The teammate is relating her experience, she is not comfortable with being exposed to male genitalia in a female changing room; just collateral damage in making sure males are accommodated? When women's boundaries are ignored in single sex spaces I call it rape culture.

And exactly how MANY glimpses of a penis are okay? Two? Five? Ten?
When is it okay and when it it not?

Why can't Lia use another changing room?

It may have been a poster here who rather astutely observed that access to women for validation rather than female spaces was the goal, we're merely props. I'd be deleted for being more explicit.

@barleybadminton

Aside from the fact that a person with a penis does not belong in a female changing room this, according to the article, is not a case of a one-off "accidental" exposure it is a pattern of behaviour.

That's not what the article says.

"She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts"

'A glimpse' is singular. Not several glimpses. And not the whole team. Her and 'others' - whoever they may be, or however many of them there are.

Why should someone with a penis be changing in a women's changing room? Can you explain why you think they belong there?

Surely lots of women each getting a glimpse is a plural - glimpses.

And the chances of upsetting women would go away if the glimpses / flashes / dropped towels did not happen in front of them.

@RVN123

Why can't Lia use another changing room?

Still waiting.

Can you answer this barley? Why do you think Lia belongs in the women's changing room instead of the one where all the other people with penises change?

It never happened.
If if did it wasn't that bad.
If it was, then it wasn't meant.
If it was then it wasn't x's fault.
If it was, then y deserved it.

And so we go on.

Ffs. Women have had this experiment forced upon them, it does not work, they're prevented as much as possible from being able to say out loud that it doesn't work, they don't like it and don't want to do it, and when they do say so, a lot of the experiment's supporters rush to find eleventy billion excuses and reasons why those women's experiences never happened and their feelings and wishes don't matter anyway.

This experiment is by males, for males, exclusively to the benefit of males and is obviously, demonstrably, stomping all over female people without the faintest regard for them and the impact on them. They have no fucks to give about female people. This experiment - based on lots of promises that female people would never even notice, and there would be no disadvantage - has demonstrably failed.

It's male supremacism. With a bow on. Now advanced far enough that male people and their supporters expect to be able to just tell women to shut up or else, that the evidence of their own eyes is false, and that they don't matter anyway, because female.

Which makes an utter lie out of 'this male person is in your changing room because they are a woman the same as you'.

No. Really not. Game over now.

@barleybadminton

Aside from the fact that a person with a penis does not belong in a female changing room this, according to the article, is not a case of a one-off "accidental" exposure it is a pattern of behaviour.

That's not what the article says.

"She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts"

'A glimpse' is singular. Not several glimpses. And not the whole team. Her and 'others' - whoever they may be, or however many of them there are.

"While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there’s a decent amount of nudity, the swimmer said"

How is this once?

And how many females complaining will it take for the University to take notice and act to support these females?

Maybe barely will tell us how many female's are acceptable collateral for the progression of male's wants? Although they never have answered it before when asked.

Maybe this time though. 1? 2? 15? all 35? or is it the usual n+1?

Oh. And it really is not a good look considering that reports from organisations gathering opinion have noted that they find it very difficult to get female athletes and coaches to go on the record to say they don't agree with male inclusion in the female sports category. So, really, this is showing yet again that any female's who voice valid complaints are either pressured to STFU or are too afraid knowing their sporting career's are at stake.

This makes the numbers even more important. Because it is also combined with that very female issue of not coming forward when they have been sexually abused.

So, please tell us how many females are acceptable collateral?

It never happened.
If if did it wasn't that bad.
If it was, then it wasn't meant.
If it was then it wasn't x's fault.
If it was, then y deserved it.

And so we go on.

Like Wi Spa all over again.

Even better artichokeleaves

Barely gave us this little gem up thread.

That's why when you make a claim the onus is on you to provide evidence for it, not just demand people disprove it

Like.... the trans lobby groups made the claim and NEVER ONCE have provided the evidence to prove their claim. And when it has been pretty much now disproved .... the claim has twisted to a claim that may never be disproved because it is based purely on philosophical bullshit and not science at all.

And that pp was also absolutely right. There has been so much nonsense posted on this thread this afternoon!

@barleybadminton

Aside from the fact that a person with a penis does not belong in a female changing room this, according to the article, is not a case of a one-off "accidental" exposure it is a pattern of behaviour.

That's not what the article says.

"She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts"

'A glimpse' is singular. Not several glimpses. And not the whole team. Her and 'others' - whoever they may be, or however many of them there are.

How many males exposing their dicks at women will it take before you think 'actually yeah, there is a problem here....'?

How many women are collateral to you?

Putting this link here

sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Principles-for-clarity-and-respect.pdf

Somanysocks

Both I think.

Ticking all the boxes and raising all the flags

FFS, I am trying to do too many things at the same time.

the trans lobby groups made the claim

is

the trans lobby groups made the claim that certain males should be included in the female sport category

of course!

@MoltenLasagne

If a non-trans identified male exposed their genitals in a women's changing room they'd be charged with flashing.

Yet somehow because of an internal feeling in Lia's head, that changes nothing about the experience for the women impacted, it is no longer a crime.

This sums it up beautifully. The poor girls are being victimised by someone who is acting in a criminal way

Somebody accidentally exposing someone to a 'glimpse' of their genitals because a towel or some clothing slipped is not a sex offender. Is a woman whose dress slips and exposes a nipple a sex offender? There isn't half some nonsense posted on here sometimes.

There is no evidence of sexual impropriety, there isn't even an allegation of that and it is not just transphobic but libellous to suggest otherwise.

Why does Lia Thomas have the right to change with women, just because Lia wants to? Lia's penis shouldn't even be in that changing room should it, whether it be a 'glimpse' or a full on exposure.

Lia is already riding roughshod over the boundaries of their team mates, and that is definitely an abuse of sorts.

Well, socks I think you need to consider the motivation for posting on an MN thread about a male who is competing in the female swim team, who is telling women that them not wanting to see a male penis in a communal changing room is based in hate.

Who has told us just how oestrogen works on the male body and male body processes in an attempt to again tell women that they need to accept males undressing in their communal single sex spaces.

I think you will know your answer.

If the women were to decamp to another room, what would happen? Would this person continue to use the existing female changing facility, or would they follow their peers into the new facility, because well, THEY are a woman too.
I have raised this point before, but its the presence of the other women in the changing room that is the attraction here. Otherwise it's just a room with four walls.
It's the presence of the women who provide the validation that they too are just one of the girls.
And that's what its ALL about - validating their inner belief based on nothing more than an idea in their head.

What if ten more males decide they are women? Should the women just accept that seeing dick is now normal in the FEMALE changing facility?

Also - WHY CANT THIS PERSON USE ANOTHER ROOM? Again!

This sums it up beautifully. The poor girls are being victimised by someone who is acting in a criminal way

What crime has she committed?

@Somanysocks

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