Lia Thomas (again)

[Signalbox]

Reports that Lia Thomas has been exposing themselves to female team mates and that they have complained and been ignored on multiple occasions...

"While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there’s a decent amount of nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts."

"She stated that team members have raised their concern with the coach, trying to get Thomas ousted from the female locker room, but got nowhere."

"Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own locker room."

"It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem to care how it makes anyone else feel,' the swimmer continued. 'The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for, like, the feelings of one."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html#comments

I forgot to add this little Lefty nastiness:
Putting a person on the SCOTUS based on skin color = racism.

Interesting barely. You have a habit of making rather outrageous statements that you have no evidence for. You have admitted that you use it as a rhetorical device.

YOU are the one on this thread telling us all we are phobic for suggesting that there might be something more to this story with absolutely no evidence. Just this blind faith that it didn't happen. This tactic was also used on other threads, such as the WiSpa incident.

That's why when you make a claim the onus is on you to provide evidence for it, not just demand people disprove it.

And this is a great clanger!!!

Imagine... just imagine. A whole group of people, males, demanding entrance in to the female sporting category based on absolutely NO fucking evidence at all. And now they are all demanding evidence to disprove that they retain their advantages. And when the evidence starts coming in .... the claim changes from 'well, sure. We have some advantage, but now disprove our claim that we deserve to enter the female sporting category because it is just nice for us to be included.

You know demanding the onus is on females to disprove why these males should not be in the category and never should have been. Instead of first providing evidence that they ever should have been included and that there was a way to mitigate the physical advantages.

You continue to deliver barely.

You always have. Keep it going.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Plus, *@Signalbox* these are YOUNG women.

I'd be able to manage an uninvited erection in my vicinity, but my first rodeo was some time ago.

Love this.

Changing rooms are segregated on the basis of sex, because male bodies are different from female bodies.

What possible reason could there be for a person with a male body to be given access to a female changing room?

Can you explain what this reason is barley?

About five years ago this wasn't a problem because competitive sports required trans athletes to have had full sex change surgery before competing as that gender.

Since the rules changed to just requiring lower testosterone levels there has suddenly been an influx of moderately successful male athletes competing as women and breaking records. I seriously doubt many of these former male athletes would go as far has having full sex change surgery just to win a few medals.

If Thomas is showing Thomas's penis to unconsenting women, Thomas is a sex offender because flashing is a sex offence. No unsupported accusations of additional bad acts are necessary. You can't say, this flasher is a sex offender and this flasher isn't. I don't think anyone here has made any claims about what Thomas may or may not get up to when not in the women's changing room. There's no need. A person who commits a first sex offence in the changing room is as much of a sex offender as one who committed a dozen other acts yesterday and then commits one last sex offence in the changing room, so we don't have to imagine any additional sex offences to say that Thomas is a sex offender.

But there's no evidence she deliberately exposed herself. It's not even what is claimed. You're just making things up.

This is totally irrelevant. The relevant fact is that a male person is allowed to change in a communal changing area with women. Inadvertently or not a male penis was on show in a female only area , thus forcing unconsenting women to witness this.

I meant this as a response to barley's statement on the previous page,

"We are discussing it because several posters on here decided to invent claims she was walking round with an erection in direct contradiction to what the Daily Mail story says - with some going further and accusing her of being a sex offender. And that those lies have been allowed to stand makes any claim that this forum is not tranphobic completely laughable."

Haven't got the hang of the quote function yet, sorry!

@334bu

*But there's no evidence she deliberately exposed herself. It's not even what is claimed. You're just making things up.*

This is totally irrelevant. The relevant fact is that a male person is allowed to change in a communal changing area with women. Inadvertently or not a male penis was on show in a female only area , thus forcing unconsenting women to witness this.

And to reiterate, the university has told the female students complaining that they have to just put up with being exposed to this penis. AND that there is some mental health support to deal with their 'lack of success'.

But, way to go barley!!!

And to reiterate, the university has told the female students complaining that they have to just put up with being exposed to this penis. AND that there is some mental health support to deal with their 'lack of success'.

We have no idea what the university has said because the Daily Mail neglected to ask them in breach of basic journalistic standards.

"That's why when you make a claim the onus is on you to provide evidence for it, not just demand people disprove it."......

Women and scientists have been providing solid, irrefutable, provable evidence that men have an advantage over women in sports.
Doesn't seem to have made much difference to cheats and bullies like these people.
Honestly, what a joke.

So you claim trans women are women.

Where is YOUR EVIDENCE Barley? Show us.

We have no idea what the university has said because the Daily Mail neglected to ask them in breach of basic journalistic standards.

Why on earth would any of these female students lie barely

It hilarious that you are banging on about journalistic integrity though.

What was that survey you posted about the kinky sex habits that you tried to convince us that all females are up to again?

And where was that evidence about what 'fully transitioned' means and just how many females 'encountered' not fully transitioned males in their prison?

Keep banging on about how you value 'basic journalistic standards' though. It is really convincing.

@Plzdontaskmyname

If Thomas is showing Thomas's penis to unconsenting women, Thomas is a sex offender because flashing is a sex offence. No unsupported accusations of additional bad acts are necessary. You can't say, this flasher is a sex offender and this flasher isn't. I don't think anyone here has made any claims about what Thomas may or may not get up to when not in the women's changing room. There's no need. A person who commits a first sex offence in the changing room is as much of a sex offender as one who committed a dozen other acts yesterday and then commits one last sex offence in the changing room, so we don't have to imagine any additional sex offences to say that Thomas is a sex offender.

Somebody accidentally exposing someone to a 'glimpse' of their genitals because a towel or some clothing slipped is not a sex offender. Is a woman whose dress slips and exposes a nipple a sex offender? There isn't half some nonsense posted on here sometimes.

There is no evidence of sexual impropriety, there isn't even an allegation of that and it is not just transphobic but libellous to suggest otherwise.

Why on earth would any of these female students lie barely

We have only heard the opinion of one student filtered through the medium of the Daily Mail. You might believe everything you read in the tabloids, I don't, especially when the story doesn't meet even basic standards.

You believe there's a male in the changing room right?

Why are you actually defending women having to change infront of a male.

Why so keen fir boundaries to be removed?

We have had several opinions from other female students there and their parents too, they all fit the exact same story.

NOT ONE female student has come out in support of Thomas.

That is something you conveniently missed in your lampooning of this student's statement.

Again, your credibility on MN when you are banging on about 'basic journalistic standards' is not very high. And last year, didn't you post an appeal to authority from prominent transitioned male's blogs?

Is a woman whose dress slips and exposes a nipple a sex offender? There isn't half some nonsense posted on here sometimes.

yes. The false comparison of a male undressing in a female single sex space knowing that they are male and that some female's will be uncomfortable with seeing a penis in their communal changing room vs an accidental clothing failure.

Some nonsense is really coming out today.

What kind of male person will deliberately get undressed in a single sex space knowing that females may be uncomfortable? That some of those females will have been abused by males and may suffer great harm in seeing a male undress in a space that they need to remain single sex? What kind of male person will do that?

And my 'yes' is agreeing that some nonsense has been coming out on MN today.

NOT ONE female student has come out in support of Thomas.

Except perhaps her closest rival:

"“I have great respect for Lia. Social change is always a slow and difficult process, and we rarely get it correct right away. Being among the first to lead such a social change requires an enormous amount of courage and I admire Lia for her leadership that will undoubtedly benefit many trans athletes in the future. In 2020 I, along with most swimmers, experienced what it was like to have my chance to achieve my swimming goals taken away after years of hard work [due to COVID]. I would not wish this experience on anyone, especially Lia who has followed the rules required of her. I believe that treating people with respect and dignity is more important than any trophy or record will ever be, which is why I will not have a problem racing against Lia at NCAAs this year.”

www.newsweek.com/lia-thomas-potential-ncaa-competitor-welcomes-race-against-trans-athlete-1673717

Barley do you think it’s ok for a man whatever his identity to be in a womens changing room ?

Somebody accidentally exposing someone to a 'glimpse' of their genitals because a towel or some clothing slipped is not a sex offender.

From the article... "While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there’s a decent amount of nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts."

"'Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own locker room."

Aside from the fact that a person with a penis does not belong in a female changing room this, according to the article, is not a case of a one-off "accidental" exposure it is a pattern of behaviour. "Lia covers herself [sic] with a towel sometimes", "multiple swimmers have raised it multiple different times".

Somebody accidentally exposing someone to a 'glimpse' of their genitals because a towel or some clothing slipped is not a sex offender.

If a man walked into a women's changing room, wrapped in a towel and the towel 'slipped' exposing his penis, would you consider him to be a sex offender?

[quote barleybadminton]NOT ONE female student has come out in support of Thomas.

Except perhaps her closest rival:

"“I have great respect for Lia. Social change is always a slow and difficult process, and we rarely get it correct right away. Being among the first to lead such a social change requires an enormous amount of courage and I admire Lia for her leadership that will undoubtedly benefit many trans athletes in the future. In 2020 I, along with most swimmers, experienced what it was like to have my chance to achieve my swimming goals taken away after years of hard work [due to COVID]. I would not wish this experience on anyone, especially Lia who has followed the rules required of her. I believe that treating people with respect and dignity is more important than any trophy or record will ever be, which is why I will not have a problem racing against Lia at NCAAs this year.”

www.newsweek.com/lia-thomas-potential-ncaa-competitor-welcomes-race-against-trans-athlete-1673717[/quote]
Way to go Barely!

A female student at Stanford. So.... NOT another one of Thomas's team mates from Penn.

NOT another student that has to share communal changing rooms with Thomas, miss out on swims because they were cut from that race because Thomas was included.

But a competitor from another university. And one not experiencing the pressure from Penn to STFU.

Pretty much irrelevant really.

Except perhaps her closest rival:

Closest rival! A person who performed at a mediocre level against men is the closest rival of a female Olympian swimmer? Wonder how they managed to improve so much? Could it possibly be because male bodies have insurmountable advantages over female bodies in swimming and even mediocre men can beat the best women?

Aside from the fact that a person with a penis does not belong in a female changing room this, according to the article, is not a case of a one-off "accidental" exposure it is a pattern of behaviour.

That's not what the article says.

"She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts"

'A glimpse' is singular. Not several glimpses. And not the whole team. Her and 'others' - whoever they may be, or however many of them there are.